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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#59151: Sep 8th 2019 at 9:09:56 PM

On the last page's video, same deal here, I agree with lots of individual points(Steg, Spinel going with Diamonds seeming like bad ideas etc), but I don't agree with video overall because it seems to insist that show was "derailed" when it quite clearly went through with original plan completely and not in manner that seems inconsistent like Game of Thrones did judging by internet reaction tongue

Edit: Well dang, now its not last page anymore because I got the top post of new page

Edited by SpookyMask on Sep 8th 2019 at 7:10:23 PM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59152: Sep 8th 2019 at 9:18:15 PM

The show hasn't derailed.

It definitely did what it set out to do, it just didn't do it well.

That is absolutely great.

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Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#59153: Sep 8th 2019 at 9:58:06 PM

Third opinion: The show actually did what it set out to do, just that what its plans were.... were not good (personally I'm on Team 'actually-ok-with-Diamonds-basically-being-forgiven-space-Hitlers', but I can totally understand everyone else who views it more harshly.)

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59154: Sep 8th 2019 at 10:05:00 PM

More than derail is that it set up into a situation it was really dificult to get up.

Kinda like Anag with killing ozai in the end of avatar, ether you follow it or you cheat.

so cheat it did.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59155: Sep 8th 2019 at 10:30:44 PM

All they had to do was scale back the Diamondo's actual damage before the rebellion.

Like...Princess Bubblegum from Adventure Time. Make it so...make it obvious to the viewer that they only travel and inject on uninhabited planets.

Pink Diamond could just choose Earth because 2 reasons: They don't really tell her that and let get in over her head for whining OR she just finds Earth, ignores that rule because she's enamored with Earth life.

She's already enamored with Earth life in the show for a reason and that must mean she hasn't seen other lifeforms before, so that's legit. Then things could literally play out the same and the Diamondo's actions aren't as harsh, meaning the redemption isn't as easy outs.

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Edited by randomness4 on Sep 8th 2019 at 10:32:41 AM

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#59156: Sep 8th 2019 at 10:54:35 PM

As I've seen pointed out, the show isn't about the ethics and logistics of an intergalactic empire and the implications thereof. The emotional core of the show is about an abusive family dynamic - from Yellow, from Blue, from White, and from Pink - and how Steven deals with each of those connections and the expectations they all have for him as he grows up into a man. I'm fortunate enough not to come from an abusive household myself, but I can see how having the villains/abusers in the show be made to face the hurt they've put the main character through, and acknowledge that they have hurt him and the people he cares about, could be cathartic.

This is a show about a family, not the collapse of a space empire.

It's been fun.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59157: Sep 8th 2019 at 10:56:29 PM

The empire doesn't matter.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#59159: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:06:29 AM

Well, it is one of the most iconic shots in anime history.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59160: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:07:41 AM

Well, that seems wasted.

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#59161: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:54:08 AM

I knew it was an homage to something, but I didn't recognize it right away.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#59162: Sep 9th 2019 at 4:12:06 AM

People noticed that out as soon as it was in the trailer.

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#59163: Sep 9th 2019 at 5:43:29 AM

I dunno if the crew intended this or not, but I just realized Steg is playing an air guitar - a guitar that controls the air. Or at least, a guitar that moves people through the air.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#59164: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:32:02 PM

This is a show about a family, not the collapse of a space empire.

Of course, the problem is that even if it's not what the show is about, it's still part of the text. In fact that's precisely why I think people find it off-putting. If they didn't want people to be displeased with the evil space dictators getting off with a slap on the wrist because the show mostly cares about them as part of Steven's family, then maybe they shouldn't have made them evil space dictators to begin with.

I mean, I'm personally not that upset but I get why other people might be.

Having said that I also suspect that Season 6 might try to remedy this a little.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Sep 9th 2019 at 4:33:29 AM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#59165: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:48:46 PM

Is Zach Callison using his regular speaking voice for Steven in the movie?

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#59166: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:24:00 PM

Either his regular voice or something really close to it.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59167: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:53:18 PM

Yeah, the problem is the show decide to have a war with galatic empire, once you enter that is really tricky to pull off without breaking the boundaries of a kid show, like I said Avatar face the same problem and fall into the same cheating tactic.

I will said make Rose into Pink diamond was kinda a bad call because it make her kinda awfull.

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#59168: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:59:17 PM

[up] Implying that Rose wasn't a little awful beforehand.


Does anyone know what the flowers in the bouquet Greg hands to Steven are supposed to be? The red ones are obviously roses, but I don't know what the purple ones are. My mind goes to snapdragons, but I don't think that's it.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#59169: Sep 9th 2019 at 3:18:12 PM

It really should hit the peak once that reveal happened, tbh.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#59170: Sep 9th 2019 at 3:30:16 PM

[up][up] I think they're hibiscus flowers.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#59171: Sep 9th 2019 at 3:33:56 PM

Does anyone know what the flowers in the bouquet Greg hands to Steven◊ are supposed to be?
Lilies?

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#59172: Sep 9th 2019 at 3:41:50 PM

A big part of redeeming the Diamonds was in showing that they were also miserable and unhappy, even if they tried to deny it. The point was that no-one was happy with the current system, and the Diamonds suffered from it too, despite being the ones at the top. It wasn't "the lower-class gems suffer while the upper-class gems were happy" it was "everyone suffered, regardless of class, the new system is an improvement to everyone's quality of life".

And, like, the first scene of the movie did a lot to show that Steven has completely destroyed the empire in the two-year time-skip. Blue and Yellow Pearl run a news tv show together, and Yellow Pearl is comfortable with scolding White Diamond for hogging screentime. It wasn't just words and empty promises, Steven dismantled the dictatorship. What would be the point of punishing the Diamonds further if they really have changed?

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59173: Sep 9th 2019 at 4:50:23 PM

"Implying that Rose wasn't a little awful beforehand."

She was as her own but not because she was a diamond, now we all know they role is being awfull.

[up]because they out of spite make thing worst for everyone, when they think Pink diamond die they unleash the big song of FUCK YOU which broke every gem present into a fate worst than death or the fact that Pink hide who she was to EVERYONE and steven have to deal with that is.....fuck up.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#59174: Sep 9th 2019 at 5:13:27 PM

Sometimes parents hide secrets from their children, knowingly or unknowingly. Especially once they're gone, sometimes it falls to their children to deal with what they left behind. Pink was a fuck-up because she came from a fucked-up family, tried her best to change herself, and she succeeded in some ways and failed in others.

It's been fun.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59175: Sep 9th 2019 at 5:16:13 PM

Never blame the family, the essence of a true fans.

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