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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57751: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:04:04 PM

Then there's the issues of the Gem caste system. Whereas humans have remarkably little biodiversity between clades within our species, Gems vary immensely in terms of physiology and also seemingly in terms of mental capabilities. For example, our Ruby isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, and seems to be in maybe the top decile for Rubies, and there's seemingly a number of gems which are incapable of independent movement.

The central premise of the enlightenment thought underpinning modernity, and of all the ideologies descended from it—Liberalism, Capitalism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Feminism to name a few—is that "all men* are created equal"; how can you possibly have an egalitarian society when the people in it are inherently unequal in many glaring ways, and are not born but manufactured?

* The great contribution of feminism being the expansion of this to include all classes of people rather than simply men.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 21st 2019 at 9:23:06 AM

GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#57752: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:11:36 PM

I liked the Lars and Sadie reunion, the off colors are clearly shipping them. Of the diamond Reformation I liked yellow's best, particularly the scene where she is crying of her own volition and not because blue made her.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57753: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:13:15 PM

I'd have to check again to tell if she meant "They have these flaws so I could get rid of them", but the general idea of ".

Here's what she says specifically:

"Poor yellow. Her impurities absorb all the blue in her light. She's so strong, but so week when it comes to blue. Ah, and blue; her impurities soak up all of the warmth in her spectrum. She thinks she needs you pink. As for me, I'm certain I don't need you; after all I'm every color of the light. But you're a part of me, the part I always have to repress."

It's pretty close to being explicit there that Pink was literally a part of white at one point, and I'd be surprised if that isn't also true of the other Diamonds given the context.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 21st 2019 at 9:18:01 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#57754: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:19:55 PM

Diverging from the topic of "White made the other Diamonds from herself" for a moment, anyone know who the voice actors for Rainbow and Sunstone are?

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jan 21st 2019 at 9:20:41 AM

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57755: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:25:08 PM

[up] 'fraid not. It occurs to me that we don't yet know the context under which White Diamond decided to possess Pink Pearl. Or how exactly homeworld got cracked in half. Or where Pink Pearl's scars came from.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 21st 2019 at 9:26:36 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#57756: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:26:46 PM

Also I can't believe no one's talked about how Pearl incorporated the Bad Pearl jacket into her new form, like DAMN
Her new jacket is completely different.

anyone know who the voice actors for Rainbow and Sunstone are?
The credits didn't specify because they're for the wrong episode. I don't want to pass any claims I've heard until they're verified.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#57757: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:28:01 PM

New Pearl is the most Mom she has ever been, and I live for this design.

Also, Peridot's and Lapis' redesigns took me by surprise. Not so much Peridot's glasses. Really dig Lapis'.

As for the Diamond's redemptions, I actually felt they delivered both Blue and Yellow's really well. That moment where they speak before White decides to shut any conversation is REALLY well done.

White's is, I feel, understandable, if rushed. But I like seing her flustered, so I can't complain.

Blue is still best Diamond.

Edited by MrSeyker on Jan 21st 2019 at 6:38:36 AM

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57758: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:33:50 PM

Wait. Oh fuck. We never found out what the fuck was in Lion's mane!

HOLY SHIT. WHAT A RED HERRING!

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 21st 2019 at 9:34:00 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#57759: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:34:33 PM

Her new jacket is completely different.

I meant in the sense that she took inspiration from it.

[up][up] Peridot's new glasses had me screaming. Same with Garnet's.

Also, how on Earth did they mix up the credits for this episode with "We Need to Talk", an episode from Season 2? Was it because Yellow said that?

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jan 21st 2019 at 9:52:05 AM

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#57760: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:36:43 PM

Was it because Yellow said that?
Probably because of that and the promo calling it by a different name.

There's been all kinds of mess ups with the credits lately. Pretty sure Charlyne Yi did not voice "Rudy".

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#57761: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:41:42 PM

Man, I fricking love how akward and lost White seems after Steven shakes her entire existance.

And I cracked up when I realized Yellow said goodbye to steven with a peace sign. I need more Diamonds.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#57762: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:47:20 PM

Goddamn. I have no words. This episode was freaking amazing!

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#57763: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:54:09 PM

Wait, I just realized. If this is what Sunstone 2.0 is like, then what the fuck was OG Sunstone like?

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#57764: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:59:34 PM

That's a question you could ask for Smoky too.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#57765: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:59:45 PM

how can you possibly have an egalitarian society when the people in it are inherently unequal in many glaring ways, and are not born but manufactured?
Few people have ever believed in "equality" that translates into pretending everyone's aptitudes are equal or forcing them to be, Harrison Bergeron-style. "Created equal" means their lives are of equal moral value, which aptitudes do not define.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#57766: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:08:11 PM

Just finished watching, a bit flawed but I loved it!

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57767: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:09:53 PM

[up][up] They tend to flow from one another; humans aren't actually all that intrinsically different from one another in terms of cognitive capabilities and to a greater extent physiology; except for people on the extreme margins of IQ, the overwhelming majority of people are capable of being training in pretty much any aptitude given sufficient time an resources. Consequently the decisive factor in life outcomes tends to be opportunities, which derives from positions in a hierarchy that's largely social construct.

Thus in principle it's easy to say "all men are created equal" without having to resort to HarrisonBergeron stuff when we're dealing with people, because it's close enough to biological reality. With gems that hierarchy is not only not socially constructed, but the gaps are absolutely cavernous even between say Peridots and Rubies. Even without a legally mandated caste system enforced under pain of death, Homeworld is likely to end up organized more or less exactly as it is now with a handful of exceptions from gems that are either too defective to serve their functions or have abnormal qualities.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 21st 2019 at 10:11:22 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#57768: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:09:54 PM

And I guess the star Iris Out has been officially retired. Rip in peace.

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#57769: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:14:44 PM

This should have been the ending. But Im happy we are getting more anyway!

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#57770: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:22:26 PM

So, did we have all ten Bingos?

Edited by Smasher on Jan 21st 2019 at 10:25:48 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#57771: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:39:49 PM

in principle it's easy to say "all men are created equal" without having to resort to Harrison Bergeron stuff when we're dealing with people, because it's close enough to biological reality.
My point was even when vast gaps in ability are real, they don't justify marginalizing someone's rights. Otherwise, you just replace classism with ableism.

Ruby is somewhat dumb, not especially strong, and very replaceable. That justifies giving her a kind of lame job. It doesn't justify her being punished much more severely than Sapphire for the same crime.

Homeworld is likely to end up organized more or less exactly as it is now with a handful of exceptions from gems that are either too defective to serve their functions or have abnormal qualities.
Yeah, probably. It'd be radically different than most modern ideals for human society, but still an OK place to live.

For the gems I mean. They're less likely to kill every other form of life for their own benefit, but, uh, Steven should really keep in touch.

So, did we have all ten Bingos?
Twelve if you count diagonals.

("Steven takes a bubble bath."? Sneaky)

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#57772: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:50:09 PM

I was right, Blue and Yellow did fight, albeit briefly.

Now What?

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#57773: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:55:00 PM

Now, We Wait.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57774: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:56:20 PM

Crossover-Enthusiast, could you change your signature. I get it, excitement, but it's still disruptive.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#57775: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:56:21 PM

I would like more townie episodes, showing who is on earth still, interactions with new characters, the like.

So technically we saw no one from White's court, unless every gem is hers regardless.

-Witty line-

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