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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#57226: Nov 24th 2018 at 4:47:00 PM

Maybe it's like one of those high bar stools where it's a little uncomfortable to climb up into it but it works fine as a chair once you're there.

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#57227: Nov 25th 2018 at 11:21:43 AM

CN has officially uploaded the Diamond Days trailer to youtube.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Nov 25th 2018 at 2:22:54 PM

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#57228: Nov 25th 2018 at 2:11:23 PM

Still not available outside the US

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#57229: Nov 26th 2018 at 8:42:36 AM

Maybe White just teleports into the seat. Having her able to teleport without needing a warp pad would be a simple and effective way to show just how powerful she is.

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#57230: Nov 26th 2018 at 8:56:03 AM

Or the seat is there symbolically to show her authority,she doesn't need to be there when there's Blue and Yellow

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57231: Nov 27th 2018 at 8:29:41 AM

Blue Diamond talking to Garnet kind of reminds me of Peridot being Innocently Insensitive about the various Crystal Gems.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57232: Nov 27th 2018 at 8:31:43 AM

I'm not sure how "innocent" it was supposed to be in this case, though.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57233: Nov 27th 2018 at 8:34:07 AM

[up] I mean, it wasn't really innocent in Peridot's case either; I'm specifically thinking about when she thought it was hilarious that Garnet was "basically two clods walking around pretending to be one clod" and it looks like Blue finds Garnet similarly "amusing."

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Nov 27th 2018 at 12:04:25 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57234: Nov 27th 2018 at 5:57:30 PM

It was innocent in Garnet’s case, iirc. She had no concept of fusion but as a means of increasing force, so she saw her presence as if someone were lugging around an AK-47 all day. Though one the best traits the Crystal Gems brought out of Peridot - eventually - is a willingness to learn about things she’s wrong about, so they were able to talk it out. Bu the end she still doesn’t get it, but is able to recognize and accept that.

Blue Diamond, on the other hand, is straight up mocking Garnet’s identity, which is characteristic given their history. She sees Garnet’s mere existence as an aberration.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 27th 2018 at 6:00:03 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#57235: Nov 27th 2018 at 6:03:38 PM

Blue was personally present for Garnet's first fusion, wasn't she? And Sapphire wasn't low-ranked, either. They may have known each other beforehand.

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#57236: Nov 28th 2018 at 1:44:46 PM

Sapphire was explicitly a member of Blue Diamond's court

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#57237: Nov 28th 2018 at 6:06:19 PM

Usually, I roll my eyes when they do the "What is 'fun'?" routine but for Homeworld, I can buy it.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#57238: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:40:10 AM

I have a question. A commented-out entry was deleted from BrokenBase.Steven Universe that went "Only add the Diamond redemption arc six months after the airing of "Reunited" (January 2019)" on the ground that "it's not a redemption arc." However, I saw several Dethroning Moment entries about "Reunited" that expressed anger at it being a redemption arc, as well as mass speculation about a potential redemption arc from mid-October or so.

Is it a redemption arc or not? XD

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#57239: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:47:05 AM

We won't know until it's done.

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#57241: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:02:10 AM

Certainly, it's setting the table for a Redemption Arc, but it might just set up the appropriate Heel-Face Turns for Blue and Yellow, with the actual redemption of them coming later.

Of course, keep in mind, we technically don't even have the latter yet; BD and YD are certainly behaving themselves at the moment, but this feels more like detente between the two sides rather than a full ending of hostilities. There are still lots of ways for all of this to go pear-shaped.

Edited by 32_Footsteps on Nov 29th 2018 at 1:02:25 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57242: Nov 29th 2018 at 11:58:59 AM

I've noticed with situations like this a lot of people get angry at even the implication that a character could potentially become a better person, and write it off as the show in question "whitewashing" all of their previous wrongs.

Again, not that the execution of the redemption arc was done poorly, but even implying "hey, this character isn't irredeemable" is enough to set a lot of people off.

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#57243: Nov 29th 2018 at 12:16:13 PM

People do realize that for it to be a redemption arc there needs to be multiple episodes, right? You can't redeem a character in a single episode, at least not in Steven Universe.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:35:45 PM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#57244: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:46:54 PM

[up][up] I've noticed that too, though given the scope of what the Diamonds have done I can understand that. The most popular talking points for 'they CAN be redeemed' seem to be 'they were sad' and also Blue-and-Orange Morality.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 29th 2018 at 8:47:37 AM

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#57245: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:59:08 PM

I really don't think the Diamonds are going to be "redeemed", not like that. Their treatment in Legs From Here To Homeworld basically consisted of Steven yelling at them angrily and guilting them into helping him out. The show seems to be under no illusions that the Diamonds haven't done incredibly monstrous things, the characters are just trying to get on their good side because they are practically invincible gods and can't really be punished.

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#57246: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:51:55 PM

One thing I've noticed is the difference between how the redeemed Peridot was treated and how the "redeemed" Diamonds are treated.

Steven gave Peridot time to process everything and help her through it. The Diamonds on the other hand were immediately put to work on fixing what they broke. I get the impression that Steven believes this won't last, and thus is trying to do as much good with this situation as he can.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#57247: Nov 29th 2018 at 11:20:35 PM

Peridot was snooty and condescending, but they also had several meetings with her over the course of (probably) at least a month, and she was used to thinking of Steven as 'a Steven' rather than as a Gem. The Diamonds, on the other hand, seem almost to be having trouble recognizing Steven as anything other than a weird shape Pink has taken for some incomprehensible reason. They've also spent much less time on Earth and interacting with Earthlings, which kind of subtly reinforces the series'/Pink's message that there's something special about Earth, even if it's just as a mindset, that makes it easier for Gems to free.

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#57248: Nov 29th 2018 at 11:23:40 PM

The Diamonds, on the other hand, seem almost to be having trouble recognizing Steven as anything other than a weird shape Pink has taken for some incomprehensible reason.

White more so than Blue and Yellow. Blue and Yellow at least seem to buy that Steven doesn't have Pink's memories, while White literally thinks the whole Revolution was merely a little game Pink was playing.

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#57249: Nov 30th 2018 at 3:35:17 AM

> I get the impression that Steven believes this won't last, and thus is trying to do as much good with this situation as he can.

I have same the feeling,his line of thinking was probably "I've got to get them away from Earth as soon as possible,but before that let's try and fix things"

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#57250: Nov 30th 2018 at 8:38:05 AM

I think the big catch with making a redemption arc work is twofold. One, you have to get the would-be Atoner to acknowledge their fault. Two, you have to have a subsequent admission/desire to make things right. The problem with the Diamonds in regards to that is that we don't have either element for any of them thus far (Blue Diamond is perhaps the closest, given her reaction in "Legs From Here To Homeworld," but given her comments to Garnet in the teaser, even she isn't there yet; meanwhile, White Diamond is so far from it that's it's almost absurd to discuss her redemption yet).

On the flipside, if you look at Peridot, she has slowly (which helps; said redemption took roughly a season to fully come into blossom) but surely came to both. The seeds of it really started in "When It Rains," but it really took until "Message Received" to kick in in earnest, and I'd put forth that it wasn't until "Barn Mates" that Peri actually started to make amends and not just pull a CYA move to save her own gem).

Now, it's a fair question as to whether or not someone whose crimes are on the level of the Diamond Authority (which, due to orders, include the totality of Peridot's crimes as well... that said, if you look at intent, it's basically the same crime in multiple iterations) should even have the chance at redemption, but that's somewhat moot at the moment.

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