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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#56976: Sep 30th 2018 at 9:13:07 PM

They do know Dee Dee Magno Hall is asian right?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56977: Sep 30th 2018 at 9:15:05 PM

Not really sure if the voice actors' ethnicities are supposed to always code the characters in the show.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 30th 2018 at 11:18:04 AM

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#56978: Sep 30th 2018 at 11:13:26 PM

Ah yes, Sugilite, who was rightfully angry at being left behind and having to walk all the way back, and whose rashness and recklessness led to her to violently lash out at Pearl, who left her there because of her own jealousy and insecurities.

These two space rocks are obviously stand-ins for white and black stereotypes, totally.

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#56979: Sep 30th 2018 at 11:52:30 PM

[up][up] It may be so, but that's the game these people are playing and more than one can play.

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#56980: Oct 1st 2018 at 2:06:28 AM

While i don't agree with most (if not nearly everything) that Lily Peet said in her video and find it mean spirited and uncalled for (better watch Robuddies video on the subject, at least she never called Rebecca Sugar a bad person, let alone Nazi apologist and in one of her streams she even criticize Lily Peet because of this), i don't really get how is being irredeemable automatically means being one-dimensional. Character can be irredeemable while also being quite complex.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56981: Oct 1st 2018 at 2:09:47 AM

The part that makes them irredeemable is usually what makes them complex...

Obviously is not always the case...sometimes a writer avoids revealing much behind a villain so they won't get unnecessary sympathy.

Edited by randomness4 on Oct 1st 2018 at 2:09:49 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56982: Oct 1st 2018 at 6:07:26 AM

Also in a majority of kids' shows, which Steven Universe is, irredeemable villains tend to be straightforward, mustache twirling mwa ha ha-ers.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 1st 2018 at 7:09:45 AM

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#56983: Oct 1st 2018 at 7:05:30 AM

Also, maybe it's me, but it seems that the show is still very strongly emphasizing that the Diamonds might have their sympathetic sides, but they are collectively very much in the wrong - even Pink Diamond, although a good chunk of her issues were Didn't Think This Through once the scales fell from her eyes. Putting aside questions of whether the Diamonds would be a collective Karma Houdini should they get redeemed, Steven Universe has never been shy at pointing out that they're doing the wrong thing.

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#56984: Oct 1st 2018 at 7:15:57 AM

According to Deedee Magno Hall a lot of Pearl’s quirks and such were her own that she added to the character so I think in this it absolutely matters who the voice actor is

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 1st 2018 at 10:16:17 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56985: Oct 1st 2018 at 7:44:29 AM

That...doesn't have anything to do with the race of the VA.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#56986: Oct 1st 2018 at 10:41:27 AM

I just want to clarify one thing. Lily Peet didn't actually say that Rebecca Sugar was a Nazi apologist or a fascist sympathizer; in fact, she explicitly says otherwise around the 1 hour and 52 minute mark:

"Do I think Rebecca Sugar is a fascist sympathizer? No. Do I blame or begrudge anyone who comes to the conclusion that she is based on Steven Universe's content? No."

"I remain that Rebecca Sugar remains completely unaware of the implications of her writing because she's just not paying attention outside of her very specific goals."

"I think that the core problem is that, like many adult cartoon fans, Sugar is just profoundly fucking stupid."

(I didn't watch the whole thing because ain't nobody got time for that, but I learned about this part via one of the deviants I watch.)

Do I agree with her? No. Just because the Diamonds are written as complex, and just because the Crystal Gems are teaming up with them out of necessity, doesn't mean that she's setting them up for redemption. But to say that she called Sugar a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer is flat-out untrue.

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FerrousMaelstom Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56987: Oct 1st 2018 at 10:52:10 AM

I'm not watching the full video but from what's posted here it seems in line with other criticisms I've seen of the show; the occasional legit point but far too much bulshitt to actually be right.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#56988: Oct 1st 2018 at 5:33:37 PM

^^I mean, it sounds like she "explicitly says otherwise" by instead stating that said Jewish woman is just too dumb to realize she's written Nazi characters and made them sympathetic. Which isn't really better, at all.

Is there a reason we're still discussing this video? The sheer fact that it's a two-hour video called 'Steven Universe is fucking garbage' really says all I think anyone needs to know.

Edited by RedSavant on Oct 1st 2018 at 8:33:47 AM

It's been fun.
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#56989: Oct 1st 2018 at 9:03:38 PM

Why would anyone make a two hour video ranting about some kids show in the first place?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56990: Oct 1st 2018 at 9:44:55 PM

The same reason people would make a 2 hour video praising a kids show...presumably.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56991: Oct 1st 2018 at 10:11:03 PM

At least the latter is a labor of love.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56992: Oct 1st 2018 at 10:35:07 PM

Constructive criticism is also that...when not ranting.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56993: Oct 2nd 2018 at 5:06:12 AM

"Ranting" and "Constructive Criticism" are just a tad mutually exclusive.

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#56994: Oct 2nd 2018 at 6:59:38 AM

That vid pops up in my Youtube feed occasionally. Never bothered to click on it because it looked like a hot mess of fucking garbage and I didn't want to dignify it with a view. I tend to be more wary these days since I've been fooled before into giving a view to garbage people — I usually realize I screwed up when I hear them say "SJW" unironically.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#56995: Oct 2nd 2018 at 7:45:42 AM

[up] I’m not proud of it, but I did go through an anti-SJW phase a few years ago. I guess I was disillusioned by the way so many of them seemed to preach hate and promote harassing people for minor slip-ups (at worst). Hell, I still remember one person infamously claiming that men shouldn’t be allowed to watch SU and that the show is only for women and N Bs (which, y’know, sounds an awful lot like gatekeeping to me).

I’ve since learned that those people are easy to avoid and we have far bigger problems on our hands, especially with a head of state whose rhetoric empowers white supremacists and neo-nazis.

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#56996: Oct 2nd 2018 at 7:55:00 AM

Alt-right assholes have managed to make the word "liberal" into a word that means "don't watch this video, it's full of garbage". It's a shame since liberal is a perfectly good word that I use to describe myself, but I always feel dirty doing it because alt-right assholes use it (and all other words related to the left) as slurs.

Like, if I see a youtube video that has any media property or franchise and "liberal" together in the title, it's almost always some idiot ranting about why SJ Ws are ruining real men and America with their progressive tv shows, or some bullshit like that. I feel like most left-wing Youtubers just make normal content because they're normal people and not psychos, so they don't feel the need to broadcast their political affiliations in every video title they make.

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#56997: Oct 2nd 2018 at 8:04:55 AM

New episodes, please come so we can have something else to talk about.

Thank god for Crossover Nexus

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#56998: Oct 2nd 2018 at 8:29:59 PM

So not to beat the dead horse, but I did finally getting around to watching Lily's video. I think she does raise some valid criticisms, but at the same time all the Creator Bashing was unnecessary.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56999: Oct 3rd 2018 at 9:04:21 AM

To me, the Creator Bashing goes a long way towards undermining any legitimate criticisms. A policy I've taken to of late is of someone's primary, if not sole, reason to talk about something I like is to shit on it, I have neither desire nor obligation to pay attention to anything they say or give it any weight. Whatever genuine points might exist aren't with mucking through the vitriol.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 3rd 2018 at 10:03:59 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#57000: Oct 3rd 2018 at 9:18:15 AM

Agreed. Maybe this video creator does have some good points, but it sounds like they've taken great care to space them out with a bunch of ranting and rudeness in the meantime.

Edit: Also, I totally basically repeated everyone else who's already commented, including myself, just because I wanted post #57,000.

Edited by RedSavant on Oct 3rd 2018 at 12:17:59 PM

It's been fun.

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