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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56726: Jul 28th 2018 at 4:16:53 PM

[up]Foreshadowing suggests that fighting won't solve anything on homeworld at all, and that their only options there are diplomatic ones. Besides even if they could get that far, just attacking White would immediately turn all of homeworld against them.

It's also not very smart to get on the bad side of the one gem that can undo corruption.

Steven and possibly Connie duels White Diamond possessed Pearl in sword battle(Before anyone points out that Rose's sword is broken ,they're provided with a sword as a part of a formal duel)
Why would she make any Pearl fight for her at all? She pretty clearly doesn't expect much of them, she especially wouldn't expect a Pearl to be able to fight.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 28th 2018 at 7:27:26 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#56727: Jul 28th 2018 at 4:26:51 PM

Not if White thinks Pink's playing a game and decides to humour her thinking 'she cant best me,but she can try!"

edit:>Why would she make any Pearl fight for her at all? She pretty clearly doesn't expect much of them, she especially wouldn't expect a Pearl to be able to fight

If she's the all seeing all knowing one she'll know Pearl can fight and exploits her formidable combat abilities

As I said,it could be all a game to White who finds it all amusing

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 28th 2018 at 11:32:43 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#56728: Jul 29th 2018 at 8:32:18 PM

Came across this vid

Can come across as harsh in some cases but most of it is fair criticism I think.Thoughts?

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#56729: Jul 29th 2018 at 8:41:15 PM

No.

The show has demonstrated time and time again that all of the "filler"... isn't, and that it's playing the long game with everything, characters included.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56730: Jul 29th 2018 at 8:45:18 PM

I don't know why people act like filler has to be a bad thing. It doesn't.

I agree that a lot of the episodes people call filler are still important because of character exploration, but I really can't agree with the notion that every episode of this series is important.

No, all of them aren't important, and that's okay.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#56731: Jul 29th 2018 at 8:47:05 PM

In general, I've never agreed with the fanbase's disdain for the Beach-city centric episodes for the reason that they fulfill a purpose, i.e show us some insight into the people Steven and the Gems are protecting. Without that, Steven wanting to protect the Earth would feel a bit hollow because we never see the Earth or its people in any meaningful way. That's not to say I'm not more invested in the "main" plotline with Homeworld, White Diamond's reveal has been one of the most gratifying parts of the series for me. Nor is it to say that all of the "townie" episodes are great or that they can't be better executed, but I think the idea that we should never have them doesn't hold water.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Jul 29th 2018 at 11:49:24 AM

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#56732: Jul 29th 2018 at 8:58:55 PM

[up][up] I wouldn't say all the episodes are important. Just more than the video makes out to be.

This whole thing kind of sounds a lot like someone who completely refuses to engage with the show on its level, and decides that means that it's shit.

The griping about the schedule in particular is embarrassing. Nobody should change the way they tell a story because of the idiocy of their corporate overlords.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#56733: Jul 29th 2018 at 8:59:29 PM

The creators have outright said this show has no filler episodes. They aren't all equally important by any means, but they all have some purpose. Whether it's character development, plot progression, or both.

Heck, even that non-canon Uncle Grandpa crossover episode had a bit of foreshadowing of The Reveal that Rose Quartz is Pink Diamond.

Edited by M84 on Jul 30th 2018 at 12:00:15 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56734: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:00:04 PM

I mean, you can disagree with the creators of a show about something.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#56735: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:04:39 PM

What I like about the Townie episodes is that it's not only Steven and the Gems who get character development. Everyone else does too. Except Ronaldo and Kevin, who are just the worst. Okay, even Ronaldo had "Rocknaldo".

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#56736: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:04:40 PM

That comes personal preference I think.

Lot of people came in Steven Universe interested in the lore of world rather than townie eps.

Regardless of whether or not the townie E Ps count as filler the fact remain that they don't have anything to do with the Gems and their arc.But they take up the most of the running time which frustrates those who want more lore related stuff.

'The griping about the schedule in particular is embarrassing. Nobody should change the way they tell a story because of the idiocy of their corporate overlords.'

You do if it ultimately hurts people's ability to enjoy the show.

Edited by DeanCole on Jul 29th 2018 at 9:11:55 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56737: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:07:42 PM

My point isn't that the townie episodes suck or aren't important (as a whole). It's just the point of "Everyone episode is necessary" that I disagree with.

Some aren't to my taste, but that's okay. Sometimes it's good to have a nice, light episode of fun.

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#56738: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:11:55 PM

[up][up] No. You don't. When a lousy schedule is temporary, and the final product is going to be around forever, you need to look at how it's going to come together in the end, not think about giving immediate gratification.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#56739: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:12:19 PM

My enjoyment of the series has been boosted by accepting that I can just skip episodes featuring Ronaldo, because he is, as stated, just the worst. And that's okay.

It's been fun.
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#56740: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:25:38 PM

I can't really agree with that.At the end of the day you have remember that your running a episodic series for TV and the show has to stand as that.

Yes Cartoon Network should take most of the heat but it'll look better in the end is not a defence. The show as to adapt.

Edited by DeanCole on Jul 29th 2018 at 9:25:34 AM

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#56741: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:33:13 PM

I still don't agree. A bad schedule isn't guaranteed. Nothing is. There's a reason Johnston calls the network out on its failure to give it a consistent schedule. There have been summers with nonstop episodes and summers with no episodes at all. What happens when the crew cops to the people bitching about this, decides "WELP, guess we'd better really pick up the pace!" and then another Summer of Steven situation happens?

And that being said, this show had a nine-season plan(five at the start, nine with the length of seasons now). The long game's even more important, knowing that.

I feel like it would be really illuminating to present the series to a newbie, regularly, and see how differently they react.

tl;dr — let's agree to disagree(hard).

Edited by Prowler on Jul 29th 2018 at 10:33:09 AM

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#56742: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:44:46 PM

Wow... that video is a whole new level of shit. I know Steven Universe isnt the best thing since sliced bread or whatever. But calling Rebecca Sugar a terrible person due to GASP, having flaws as a writer is a terrible thing to do.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#56743: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:46:31 PM

Yeahhh, it just kept getting worse and worse. I felt like I was watching a boat get torpedoed.

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#56744: Jul 29th 2018 at 10:37:13 PM

Wait, where in Say Uncle did they set up the foreshadowing?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56745: Jul 29th 2018 at 10:43:33 PM

Uncle Grandpa made a comment to Steven about keeping his gem clean in a way that's normally done with Diamonds.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56746: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:03:03 PM

Probably a coincidence, but the fanbase has jumped upon it anyway.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#56747: Jul 30th 2018 at 12:06:49 AM

If you’re going to demand that the show change, may I suggest you say HOW you think it should change?

I doubt you could do anything about the episode length, so I don’t think cramming more story into each individual episode would work - it would just end up rushed. I feel like getting rid of the townie episodes would do the same - we’d run into pacing issues if we were always focused on the Homeworld stuff. Nothing would have time to breath.

Would anyone be willing to summarize the contents of the video? I don’t really want to give it views.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jul 30th 2018 at 3:08:59 PM

Oh God! Natural light!
SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#56748: Jul 30th 2018 at 12:50:53 AM

[up][up]

Apparently, you don't need to polish quartz gems, but you should polish diamonds. That is, in real life.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#56749: Jul 30th 2018 at 5:30:02 AM

The filler complaint is common in many series that have a long reaching myth arc established. At the start, ypu don't know where the series is going so you enjoy these slice of life episodes that establish characters in different formats other than fighting or action and help build the world. Here and there you get hints of something greater underneath it all but its not enough to completely shift your attention from the life slice.

Then comes the big myth arc reveal episode. Suddenly things are different or past stuff put in a very different light. You get more excited and study the foreshadowing, the fridges, the continuity. But now you aren't looking at the slices the same. In fact, you become disappointed that it lacks a contribution to what you see as the plot now. Now it looks like filler. And as the series continues, the concern if it will be renewed each season or just the realization that there are finite number of episodes, each episode that lacks better connection to the plot start to be viewed with annoyance, dislike, dismissiveness or even disdain.

How often is the filler complaint brought up towards episodes in the beginning of the series vs the middle or later? Not much. It usually starts after the big plot is revealed and gets more common as the unresolved plot lines continue. The mindset is that there are only so many episodes you can have, so some fans get annoyed that this precious time is 'wasted' on slice episodes, even in the main plot has been planned from the start and the slices actually never took away from it. Granted, they could be blamed for interrupting the flow of the plot based on where they air in the line-up, but that's pacing issues.

-Witty line-
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#56750: Jul 30th 2018 at 7:59:49 AM

^That's kind of how I catch myself looking at it, sometimes. When I started my catchup near the end of season 4, I was burning to get through the townie episodes as quickly as possible and get back to the important stuff. But even "townie" episodes like "Doug Out" and "Kevin Party" give Connie important characterization, and in the case of the episodes leading up to "Kevin Party" like "Dewey Wins", they give the story room to breathe. Steven's frustration and sadness that Connie's not speaking to him after Homeworld would feel fake if there was no space after it, and cutting out the three or four "filler" episodes after "Lars's Head" would deprive us of storylines like Sadie Killer And The Suspects.

It's been fun.

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