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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#56651: Jul 24th 2018 at 8:08:12 PM

[up][up] They clearly have some ingrained knowledge built into them, including language and the necessary faculties for there to be No Infantile Amnesia, but more specialized tasks might conceivably require additional training.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jul 24th 2018 at 11:09:07 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56652: Jul 24th 2018 at 9:46:09 PM

It occurs to me that if White really has been watching things through Pearl, then she'd understand that Steven really isn't "Pink".

Which might not matter, considering the whole low-key threatening vibe of the encounter, but still.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 24th 2018 at 11:45:59 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#56653: Jul 24th 2018 at 9:50:33 PM

On that topic of Blue and Yellow being raised by White: do you think it's possible that Yellow and Blue have actually been bubbled by her before? They could have just been afraid that she'd do that to Steven, but it wouldn't surprise me if she'd done it to either of them in the past as punishment for a fuck-up.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#56654: Jul 24th 2018 at 10:18:16 PM

That could have happened after Pink's "death". Following the corruption wave, i think White might have bubbled one of them.

Probably Yellow, because Blue would become a sobbing mess and White probably thought that was a fitting punishment.

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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#56655: Jul 24th 2018 at 10:53:57 PM

[up]

Yeah, even though she is cordial now, abusers tend to put up friendly facades, so they can let their would be victims' guards down.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#56656: Jul 25th 2018 at 1:07:36 AM

I just caught up, and holy shit.

Do we have any info on when the next episode will air? The last episode I saw before all this was Lion 4, so this has been a trip.

It's been fun.
ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#56657: Jul 25th 2018 at 4:16:08 AM

So this is probably a coincidence and not everything in this show is foreshadowing, but a video of White Pearl and Rose Room Connie from Open Book were placed side by side and there are similarities between WP and Cloud Connie. Both are robotic sounding who follow objectives, both have white in their design, Connie has puff accessories in her hair in the same place as WP's hair buns and both are missing their left eye.

This is probably just foreshadowing a future character design but it would be interesting if this was intentional by the crew.

-Witty line-
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56658: Jul 25th 2018 at 4:20:55 AM

It occurs to me that if White really has been watching things through Pearl, then she'd understand that Steven really isn't "Pink".
Not necessarily. She could know what’s literally happened—that Steven doesn’t have Pink’s memories or exactly the same personality—but refuse to acknowledge that it makes Steven a separate person. Either out of Selective Obliviousness or a really materialistic definition of personhood/indentity.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#56659: Jul 25th 2018 at 10:45:15 AM

So I'm calling right now that White Pearl was Pink's originally, but they switched Pearls for some reason (Pearl could have beem made for pink through a sort of From a Certain Point of View scenario), White Diamond did something to turn her white, and Steven is going to cry on her and turn her pink again.

Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#56660: Jul 25th 2018 at 10:54:02 AM

Well, in the hypothetical case WP's gem actually used to be her eye, maybe she was meant for Pink, but she came out wrong, so White "fixed" her, but then Pink didn't want her anymore, so White keep her and gave Pink her pearl in exchange.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56661: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:07:29 AM

[up]I don't think the show is going to throw Pink under the bus to make White seem less responsible for her actions. That would defeat the whole point of setting her up to be so unnerving the way they did.

All these the Pearlswap theories seem like they're grasping at straws to me. Especially because I don't think Blue Pearl shares much in common with her diamond in appearance either so that already broke the pattern for me way before Pearl and White Pearl did.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 25th 2018 at 2:21:52 PM

Malady (X-Troper)
#56662: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:27:42 AM

[up] - Nope, Blue and Yellow Pearl and Diamond all have Collarbone Gems.

Crystal Pearl having a Head Gem instead of a Tummy Gem like Pink... Yes, very suspicious.

Her gradual whitening over the years may reflect her White-ness...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56663: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:33:14 AM

I'm not going to discount the switched Pearl theories because this show does love its subtleties, but I also keep wondering "Why would they switch Pearls?"

It just seems very strange yet mundane, and while I'm sure there will be an actual reason if it happened, I'm just kind of left going...okay, that's a thing, I guess. At least for right now, anyway.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 25th 2018 at 1:44:59 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#56664: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:39:49 AM

I don't know why they would have switched either. I have a few guesses, but the main thing is really just the position of the gems and also White Pearl being off in general. The Crewniverse has been really meticulous about this sort of thing since the beginning so I can't help but think it has to be significant somehow.

Malady (X-Troper)
#56665: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:41:57 AM

Also, we haven't seen any other gem, make Holograms...

Also Gem Storage... Have we seen any other gem do that, either?

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56666: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:43:02 AM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, emphasis on "not much in common". It just seems hinged on tiny connections, that don't need to mean anything more. And I agree with LSBK that it's kind of just mundane trivia and stops there.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 25th 2018 at 2:45:27 PM

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#56667: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:43:45 AM

Peridot can. She pulled out a bomb during Warp Tour I think.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#56668: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:53:48 AM

I mean last page and someone points out this page, Room!Connie dresses similar to WP when she snaps from being given an order that goes afainst their being. It's known Pearls are programmed into their very being to unqestioningly obey their master too.

Pearl is also said to have been given to but not made for Pink.

Pink could have easily given an order in he vein of Steven that caused WP to literally break and the result had her given to White Diamond who "fixed" her.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 25th 2018 at 11:54:33 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Bananaquit Since: Jan, 2001
#56669: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:57:54 AM

wild mass guessIt seems like they’re setting up Yellow to be the one who turns against White. I get the feeling that she’ll be so fed up with White letting Homeworld fall so far from greatness and become so dilapidated. I think siding with Pink makes sense, partially out of real affection for her sister, but mostly out of practicality.wild mass guess

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#56671: Jul 25th 2018 at 11:59:46 AM

I really find the Pearl = White Pearl theories getting increasingly convoluted, even more than old proven theories.

I wouldn't go as far as completely dismissing the possibility, because I did so with Pink/Rose mostly because of the fandom, and that turned out to bite me in the ass.

But to me, the color schemes are way more important.

White Pearl is pure black and white, just like her master, and the ballerina outfit, while it has some points in common with Pink's design, seem to me to be in line with Yellow and Blue Pearl (so I see this more as sympthomatic of Pink having a pearl-like design to begin with).

Contrast Pearl, who is effectively rainbow colored by the standard set by the other pearls. The only thing that connects her to White is her skin color (which is actually a shade of yellow). Her dresses are made of the colors of the three diamonds that were the closest, with Pink's shade being more prominent in her older designs. And she's got consistent pink hair.

To me all this indicates that Pearl was custom-made for Pink as a gift from her older sisters (Yellow and Blue specifically, because it seems to me White was a distant presence in her life).

Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#56672: Jul 25th 2018 at 12:01:22 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up]What? I mean White did it without Pink asking for it, she was horrified, so White gave her her pearl instead.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#56673: Jul 25th 2018 at 12:01:31 PM

Or, y'know, a Pearl changes their form in order to more resemble their master.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#56674: Jul 25th 2018 at 1:19:08 PM

WP could have belonged to Pink but when Pink was in her bratty phase and maybe damaged her accidentally. Then White decides to give her own Pearl to PD thinking that her Pearl could do better to teach Pink (while pearls are suppose to be glorified accessories, it is strange how many talents CG Pearl possesses). White then takes the other Pearl as her current one.

For DEVIOUS plans! Like silhouette tracing!

Just out loud harmless speculation.

And people are thinking there was a swap mostly because the 'Diamond Pearls share their Diamond's gem placement' theory is so close to being true. Also, it fits nicely aesthetically.

-Witty line-
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#56675: Jul 25th 2018 at 1:27:34 PM

I wouldn't put it past the show creators, really. It would be an interesting twist, and Pearl's habits of 'compartmentalize everything' and her absolute neuroses seem to fit with the kind of environment what little we've seen of WD's personality would probably create - stay quiet, agree to everything, nothing out of place. Though that appears to be a Pearl's function anyway.

Edited by RedSavant on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:27:31 AM

It's been fun.

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