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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#56226: Jul 10th 2018 at 9:00:28 AM

@32_Footsteps: Judging from Steven trying to enter Yellow's mind, I think she just buried her emotions over Pink's supposed shattering, while giving off the impression she had moved on.

I thought the other Rose Quartzes got captured after Pink was "shattered".

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#56227: Jul 10th 2018 at 9:11:18 AM

It is hard to fully confirm due to the room's lighting, but aren't all the Rose Quartzes in the zoo in pink bubbles? So a pink gem bubbled them?

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#56228: Jul 10th 2018 at 9:11:26 AM

Looking back on it, it's not actually clear what the timeline is on when the Rose Quartzes at The Zoo were bubbled - just that now, in the present, YD wants to shatter them while BD wants to keep them bubbled as mementos of PD. It's possible that BD and YD wanted all of the Rose Quartzes bubbled as a result of the beginning of the rebellion (after all, they weren't there to see what gems were being produced), and PD just made a whole bunch of inert gems to bubble to placate them (after all, odds were that they wouldn't have opened up the bubbles, which they in fact did not do).

It's somewhat moot (I don't think it changes the story much either way), but at this point, I think it's fair to wonder if there ever was any Rose Quartz. The entire caste may have just been PD's convenient fiction.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56229: Jul 10th 2018 at 10:34:45 AM

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if the bubbled gems at the moonbase aren't Rose Quartzes or, heck even gems at all. She faked pink diamond gem shards. They could just be props to give an appearance that she was doing something to prevent another rebel leader from appearing.

I mean, it would be kind of weird to create a bunch of real Rose Quartzes just for appearance sake that are only going to be bubbled forever anyway, and will never be able to do anything. It's just a huge waste. It also makes less sense, because she was the first "Rose Quartz", and not soon after becoming that, she realized she didn't want to harm the Earth by creating new gems.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 10th 2018 at 1:43:33 PM

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#56230: Jul 10th 2018 at 10:45:12 AM

She probably just grabbed and bubbled a bunch of actual Rose Quartz gems (as in the actual mundane gem).

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#56231: Jul 10th 2018 at 11:25:57 AM

Well, PD probably actually made them by hand. Given that she was able to come up with convincing diamond shards with scant seconds of effort, I bet she probably could have come up with rose quartzes, even in that quantity, in hours at most.

Oh, unrelated, and possibly unimportant outside of a setting detail overall... huh, now that I think of it, I don't think I've ever seen any example of gemstone (i.e. inert gems, as opposed to the characters) used in jewelry at all in the show. The only cases of jewelry that I ever recall seeing in the show are purely metallic (the rings Bis made for Ruby and Sapphire; Mystery Girl's piercings) or possibly plastic (Lars' skull inserts, if they aren't metal). I kinda wonder of civilization just never went towards using gemstones in that fashion (given that a human might never know if a gemstone would turn out to be a corrupted Crystal Gem or not, there probably would be a good reason for humans in general to avoid them).

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56232: Jul 10th 2018 at 11:28:47 AM

I mean, it would be kind of weird to create a bunch of real Rose Quartzes just for appearance sake that are only going to be bubbled forever anyway, and will never be able to do anything. It's just a huge waste. It also makes less sense, because she was the first "Rose Quartz", and not soon after becoming that, she realized she didn't want to harm the Earth by creating new gems.

That assumes she was the first "Rose Quartz" and just didn't shapeshift into an already existing gem type. Which seems like an odd assumption to make to me, and makes other things make much less sense.

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#56233: Jul 10th 2018 at 11:32:56 AM

I think the creators have confirmed that there are real Rose Quartzes. Maybe they were made fir Pink on Homeworld rather than Earth.

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#56234: Jul 10th 2018 at 11:39:11 AM

I know that Pearl kind of glossed over the point at the time (as there were more important details to discuss), but I was under the impression that Pink Diamond was trying to pass herself off as an Amethyst at first. I got the sense that she didn't create the "Rose Quartz" identity (as opposed to an oddly pink Amethyst - though given that I've been wondering if gems are some degree of colorblind, her hue probably wouldn't have been that odd to them) until after she decided to rebel against her sisters. And given that the colony was still young and gems were still emerging, it's quite possible that they didn't know exactly what kind of gems would be popping out all over the place (and certainly, some oddball gems were coming out - so far as we know, there's only one Carnelian). All Pink Diamond would have needed to do was claim that one of the quartz types produced in the Prime Kindergarten was called "Rose Quartz" and that would be enough cover for her ruse.

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#56235: Jul 10th 2018 at 11:50:09 AM

I'm pretty sure there is an actual type of Gem called a Rose Quartz. If there weren't then Yellow and Blue would look pretty dumb for having a room full of rocks and arguing over if they should be allowed to live or not.

Do we know of any pink gems besides Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz? I mean, someone had to bubble those things.

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#56236: Jul 10th 2018 at 11:56:23 AM

Pearl bubbled them all of for Pink

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#56238: Jul 10th 2018 at 12:11:53 PM

In terms of making Blue Diamond and Yellow Diamond look foolish, I honestly think the fact that Pink Diamond showed up in the middle of BD's retinue in full Rose Quartz regalia and caused merry havoc without either her or Pearl being recognized is a bit higher on the list than not knowing that the gems in a bunch of bubbles were inert simulacra instead of alive. Particularly when we have it canon that they can't necessarily tell the difference between inert gem shards and pieces of a shattered gem (if they could, PD's faked death would have had a much harder time succeeding.) Now, if BD had taken one out of the bubble, found that it was inert, and still believed that all the rest were fakes, then yeah, that would have been a total What An Idiot move. But as it stands, I have no problems believing that they cannot easily tell between a gem that's actually inert versus a gem that is alive but held in stasis for whatever reason (bubbled/currently recovering from being poofed/placed in an object like Lapis was stuck in the mirror).

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#56239: Jul 10th 2018 at 12:19:19 PM

White Diamond bubbled them but the room makes them look pink instead of white, obviously

Blue could have ordered several other pink gems, maybe even other Rose Quartzes not loyal to Pink to bubble them. Yellow wanted them shattered from the start.

Or, the diamonds wanted all Rose Quartzes removed due to Rose's rebellion (as there were none in Pink's court when she faked her shattering) and Pink bubbled them herself to keep up appearances (the diamonds may have gone further and try to shatter the gems if Pink resisted in bubbling).

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56240: Jul 10th 2018 at 2:18:21 PM

That assumes she was the first "Rose Quartz" and just didn't shapeshift into an already existing gem type. Which seems like an odd assumption to make to me, and makes other things make much less sense.
The show seems to show us that she shape-shifted as an Amethyst, and came up with her name later. We've never been given any indication that Roses Quartzes existed before. It seems more implied all of them are bubbled at the Zoo for being a defective caste, which would be weird for them to assume all of them were if they were an old gem type that they've had experience with before. Also what makes less sense?

I think the creators have confirmed that there are real Rose Quartzes. Maybe they were made fir Pink on Homeworld rather than Earth.
I'm pretty sure there is an actual type of Gem called a Rose Quartz. If there weren't then Yellow and Blue would look pretty dumb for having a room full of rocks and arguing over if they should be allowed to live or not.
Do you guys have a source for this? Because I've never heard any Word of God saying there are other Roses Quartzes.


And the room isn't theirs. It's in Pink's Zoo. If Pink says she bubbled Rose Quartzes there, and there really aren't, then they have no way to know unless they check, which as far as we know they didn't because they had no reason to think she was lying.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 10th 2018 at 5:20:42 AM

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#56241: Jul 10th 2018 at 2:22:12 PM

Here you go,word of God

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#56242: Jul 10th 2018 at 2:22:20 PM

[up][up]As we learned, it's not even really "Pink's Zoo" the other Diamonds just made it and threw some humans into it to placate Pink because they didn't understand or care what her actual issue was.

Part of Rose's story to her troops was that she was just an ordinary Quartz gem that came out and did her work until eventually going to see the world. If Rose Quartz wasn't an actual Gem type it blows the lie out of the water right away.

Edit: Although this reply became unnecessary with [up].

Edit Again:

It seems more implied all of them are bubbled at the Zoo for being a defective caste, which would be weird for them to assume all of them were if they were an old gem type that they've had experience with before. Also what makes less sense?

Because grief isn't logically, and they were looking something to vent their anger at/hold on to Pink, respectively. Blue and Yellow's conversation about shattering them all or not made that very clear.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 10th 2018 at 4:25:52 AM

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#56243: Jul 10th 2018 at 2:26:00 PM

[up][up] While I do think there were actual Rose Quartzes (as in, living Gems), please remember that the crew likes to use Exact Words. "Yo her name is Rose QUARTZ" is something Ian said after someone asked if Rose was Pink, after all.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56244: Jul 10th 2018 at 2:28:22 PM

[up]You can't really Exact Words that reply, and that question made after the "Rose is actually Pink" reveal, so they'd have nothing to hide by answering it.

They had a reason to not reveal that Rose was actually Pink. They have no reason to lie about whether Rose Quartz are real Gems now that that secret is out. If they are, then that's not Exact Words, it's just them lying.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 10th 2018 at 4:30:53 AM

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56245: Jul 10th 2018 at 2:38:00 PM

Well, that's neat then. I wonder if the bubbled Rose Quartzes would have a different voice actor than Pink to make them a little different from Pink shapeshifting or if they'd just reprise the same one.

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#56246: Jul 10th 2018 at 2:44:06 PM

[up][up] Eh, fair point.

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#56248: Jul 10th 2018 at 3:47:04 PM

If there weren't then Yellow and Blue would look pretty dumb for having a room full of rocks and arguing over if they should be allowed to live or not.
More than that, Pink would have to explain why no one ever saw another Rose Quartz. The most sense that could make is if Pink said she made them in private, one Escaped from the Lab, and she never let the others out.

They have no reason to lie about whether Rose Quartz are real Gems now that that secret is out.
We'll inevitably get back to the Zoo. Them being fake is a potential plot twist, though it'd be a pretty disappointing one.

If they are, then that's not Exact Words, it's just them lying.
Motivation doesn't make the difference between Exact Words and a lie.

However, this would be a lie if the bubbled gems are fake, for two reasons:

  1. He capitalized it "Rose Quartz gems". The real word "rose quartz" is not a proper noun.
  2. He said they are all in the Zoo. That would be total nonsense if referring to non-living gems.

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#56249: Jul 10th 2018 at 3:49:51 PM

[up]I wasn't talking about motivation when I said that.

"Her name is Rose Quartz" is both true (because she took that name for herself, and probably identified with it more than Pink at a certain point) and sounds like a denial without actually having any specific words that deny that she is Pink. Hence Exact Words.

But "Are there real Rose Quartz?" is a yes or no question, that they answered with "yes". If the answer is actually "no" it's just a lie then. Which it could be, Lying Creator being a thing and all, but I'm not sure what the point of a twist like that would be.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 10th 2018 at 10:11:50 AM

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#56250: Jul 10th 2018 at 6:25:10 PM

I'd like to see Steven and Alexandrite fuse. A six way fusion!

And the series should end with what Pieguy mentioned in one video: Steven fusing with the entire non-Gem population of Beach City. I call it Steverybody.

Edited by Smasher on Jul 10th 2018 at 6:33:15 AM


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