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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56201: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:44:50 PM

Pink didn't seem to be planning to talk to them by that point. In fact, she didn't seem to have a win condition at all: she just assumed that if she made enough of a ruckus the Diamonds would just leave. No wonder eventually she just decided to do something drastic.

Come to think of it, on her own she wasn't a very good planner. Before Garnet came along, she initially thought she could do that with just her and Pearl - it wasn't until after then that she thought "hey, maybe this would make more of an impact if more Gems joined in!"

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#56202: Jul 9th 2018 at 5:00:15 PM

The Diamonds wanted Pink to be responsible. They saw her arguments as whining, or finding running a colony too hard because she didn't think she could properly explain what she wanted to do (maybe she could have, maybe she couldn't have). It was a failure to communicate on both ends. In the end it might have been more productive for her to flat out say she wanted to run a colony her way and that was that and she'd face the consequences when they came. Who knows if it would have worked, but at least that might have shown some backbone that they thought Pink was lacking.

Oissu!
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56203: Jul 9th 2018 at 5:15:52 PM

I'm impressed that [Blue Diamond] had the detail to remember a particular Lapis Lazuli in her service.
Blue just called her a Lapis Lazuli. She just knows Lapis was in her court, either because her whole caste is or because she was wearing a blue diamond.

Bismuth is visibly grimacing at both Yellow and Blue at home, especially at the part where Blue is all like "We meant to obliterate all of you, how are you alive?"
She also came with the other Crystal Gems to the ship.

In the end it might have been more productive for her to flat out say she wanted to run a colony her way and that was that and she'd face the consequences when they came.
I'm of the opinion that would be a better plan, if still far from foolproof, but that Pink was not in a position to see that.

They might care that loyal gems like Centi are being subjected to a Fate Worse than Death... Maybe.
It does explain (pragmatically) why they didn't even try to cure them.
I wonder if Blue Diamond will notice the resemblance between Lion and Pink.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56204: Jul 9th 2018 at 5:46:52 PM

It was a failure to communicate on both ends. In the end it might have been more productive for her to flat out say she wanted to run a colony her way and that was that and she'd face the consequences when they came. Who knows if it would have worked, but at least that might have shown some backbone that they thought Pink was lacking.
You know, that's true. We haven't really been shown anything stopping her from running her colony however she wanted. The flashback we saw between her, Blue and Yellow didn't even seem like they were ordering her around, it was more like they were just giving her advice. Did Pink really need their permission to do anything? Maybe she just thought she did. Or maybe that's where White comes into the picture.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 9th 2018 at 8:55:17 AM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#56205: Jul 9th 2018 at 5:55:55 PM

Remember that plan they saw in "It Could've Been Great"? The one Peridot was so excited about? If that was made prior to Pink becoming Rose, and I think it was made early on in the colony's life span, that would be what running a colony would be to Yellow and Blue.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#56206: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:05:14 PM

I just caught up with the last 6 episodes. There's... a lot to unpack.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#56207: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:13:15 PM

I dont know if we are allowed to talk about this, but WARNING: This can be VERY uncomfortable, so if the mods don't see this as appropriate, feel free to delete it.

TDI: Charlyne Yi (Chloe, We Bare Bears; Ruby, Steven Universe) has such abusive parents that she placed a restraining order against them, and is about to expire.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#56208: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:14:42 PM

I already want to see Ruby again. She could give Steven a run for his money in pure energeticness.

Charlene's also thirty-two years old. I don't think she needs her hand held.

Edited by HextarVigar on Jul 9th 2018 at 6:18:53 AM

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#56209: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:24:21 PM

Changing my avatar back to this Ruby/Sapphire one because it feels appropriate. Though I'm still too lazy to put my gingerbread back on tongue

Watching everything back-to-back left me feeling like it was rushed, but I don't think it was actually rushed, I just felt that way.

I'm glad Amethyst didn't want to dump her feelings on Steven, but I wish we had seen her dealing with it by talking with someone else.

I found the Ruby as a cowboy episode a little boring, though I liked the characters bits in it. I guess I was also spoiled that Ruby and Sapphire would end back together, even if I think that's a reasonable expectation to have despite Greg telling Steven off "we gotta get them back together." I suppose I just don't care for cowboy stuff.

I'm glad how they addressed Bismuth joining the team, however I wanted them to tackle the issue of Rose being an authority in the system they were fighting against from Bismuth's perspective, which I feel like they didn't. Having watched the episode once I can't quite remember if they sidestepped the issue or not, but I think they treated it more like a personal issue. Oh no, Steven turned Bismuth into a punny monster! D:

I LOVED the wedding episode. I loved the song, the characters, the plot, it was amazing. Poor mailman and ex-mayor Dewey. Missed opportunity on Steven not marrying Ruby and Sapphire with his Diamond authority over Earth. I liked how their clothes fused together!

Oh, this tangentially related to the past few episodes. The show does seem to be going with "Steven is Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond," which I feel is wrong on a philosophical and physical level, but the show says it's true :S Uh, okay, I guess.

I wish we had a little more foreshadowing on the Cluster being capable and willing of fighting back, even if it sounds reasonable. Mayor Nanefua's plan coming into action, nice. Heh, Code Blue and Code Yellow. All Crystal Gems showing off their fighting abilities was cool. Connie resisted Blue's emotion wave the first time, but I'm pretty sure she kneelt the second time. I wonder if that was an error or what.

I'm glad Lapis is back, but it leaves the sour taste of "if you have issues, just run away from everyone and you'll eventually feel better" in my mouth. I know this isn't what they were going for, but that's what it felt like to me sad Her being able to withstand Blue's emotion wave speaks of her character development tho

It's impressive neither Blue nor Yellow got poofed from all the things that were dropped on them. Poor Peridot.

At first, I thought we'd be seeing Steven having been poofed by Yellow, and we were now seeing his perspective from inside his gem. Especially when Connie appeared on-screen. That didn't happen though. They've shown us Steven astral projecting before, why couldn't have shown him being a "psychic ghost"? Would've tied this better.

Steven actually being Rose Quartz still feels wrong to me :|

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#56210: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:27:24 PM

...No one has said Steven is actually Rose Quartz...he's Pink Diamond.

LOL. But seriously he is his own person. No one has said otherwise.

Also I LOVED THE COWBOY PARTS. Im not saying this to disagree with you or fight. I really did and it was so epic. I loved Wild Arms so the whole thing was really appealing.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56211: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:31:32 PM

The only people who seriously say "Steven is Rose/Pink" are Gems who don't yet fathom the idea of childbirth. Steven has Rose/Pink's Gem, ergo he is Rose.

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#56212: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:39:49 PM

I just want to know when, where, why and how White Diamond fits in all of this.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56213: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:48:14 PM

But seriously he is his own person. No one has said otherwise.
Steven once yelled "I'm Pink Diamond." to Yellow and Blue, but he's just simplifying the issue in a way they could more easily understand.

The preview has him saying "I don't have any of Rose or Pink's memories.", implying he'll explain that he's not really the same person now that they're listening to him instead of attacking.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jul 9th 2018 at 9:55:27 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56214: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:04:49 PM

Bismuth was already a pun monster...

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#56215: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:22:29 PM

I think at first Steven commented he was his own mom to the cool kids, but I took that as an one-off joke. Then he started saying he is Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond to homeworld gems in a way that made me feel like he was trying to put it in a way they'd understand. But he seems to keep repeating that in a way that makes me think he actually believes it, and the show wants us to believe it. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding it.

However, physiologically, I'm unsure whether Steven is 50% Rose 50% Greg, or 100% Rose 50% Greg [lol]

@Aegis P: Yeah, I expected someone who liked cowboys more would've enjoyed the episode more.

@randomness4: He's enabling her!

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#56216: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:37:14 PM

I think White Diamond's either that one Diamond who's actually an asshole, the fusion of the three Diamonds, or the final boss, if not all three.

The legend has returned.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56217: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:38:12 PM

Steven enables everybody (except Ronald), it's why he's a bad person...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56218: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:38:20 PM

You say "actually an asshole" as if Blue and Yellow aren't.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#56219: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:40:39 PM

What I mean is 'an unrepentant asshole'.

The legend has returned.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56220: Jul 9th 2018 at 9:07:07 PM

But he seems to keep repeating that in a way that makes me think he actually believes it, and the show wants us to believe it. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding it.
That's the exact opposite of what the show wants us to believe. Steven wants to live up to Rose's legacy and take responsibility for her actions, but it's been repeatedly stated he's under no obligations to do either. Even then, he still only thinks he's "kinda" Rose.

What I mean is 'an unrepentant asshole'.
That's still making a lot of assumptions about the future.

"Can't be negotiated with." is probably more relevant.

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#56221: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:12:26 PM

We've seen White's hand before between Blue and Yellow's hands, so I doubt White is a fusion. The other two are still possible.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#56222: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:15:12 PM

I forgot to mention it, but the newest song was amazing. Zach Callison killed it with the main vocals. Sugar and Aivi & Surasshu rocked with the composition. The rest of the cast participating was also a great detail. One of my new favorite songs of the show.

[up][up]I must say I hope so.

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#56223: Jul 10th 2018 at 4:19:07 AM

So I just remembered something: we've never seen the Warp Pad the Gems use in the second intro.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#56224: Jul 10th 2018 at 8:44:16 AM

[up] I don't it meant to be any warp pad in particular.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#56225: Jul 10th 2018 at 8:50:32 AM

Is it me, or is Yellow Diamond just completely in shock over everything? I know that we've only got the last few seconds of "Reunited" and a 30-second preview to go by, but it seems like YD is in such shock that she can barely react to anything happening, while BD has it together enough to actually move things along. If so, it'd be a bit of a role reversal compared to, for example, where the two were when "What's The Use In Feeling, Blue?" was sung.

Also, speaking of that song and things in the background of it, while I'm sure that others have probably said this before... is there a chance that there never was a Rose Quartz at all? What if all those bubbles at The Zoo are just inert gemstones that PD made to cover for what she was doing? She already made one fake to fool everyone; what's to say she didn't make a bunch of them in part to prevent her sisters from going after real gems? It kinda makes me feel better to think that this is what she did rather than let an entire caste get held prisoner.

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