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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56176: Jul 8th 2018 at 10:53:27 PM

The song has creepy parts, especially in the middle, but the part actually reprising "Love Like You" is the exact opposite of a Dark Reprise.

that it depended a lot on the interpretation that the song is from Rose's perspective. It's incredibly heavily implied at this point, but is it still too speculative to put in the trope entry?
It's not specifically about Rose.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jul 8th 2018 at 12:57:14 PM

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#56177: Jul 8th 2018 at 11:06:17 PM

You mean the darkest line in the song?

And I can't help but shake that they said that to throw fans off track. Nearly every major addition to the song was in episodes that had to do with Rose somehow. Even the vague description of the perspective of the song fits Rose "an alien who's loved by a human, even though they might not be able to return those feelings" (paraphrasing).

The song only plays during the show proper in "Bubbled", not only an episode that heavily discussed Rose but was played OVER a conversation about Rose's "crime".

It seems to arbitrary to make a song that fits one character so well and then claim it as a general theme.

Edited by RhymeBeat on Jul 8th 2018 at 2:06:18 PM

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#56178: Jul 9th 2018 at 1:03:34 AM

[up] The lyrics are just general and poignant enough that the song can be from anyone to anyone.

Hell, a while back a I watched a theory video about the possibility of it being from Lars to Sadie, and it made a lot of sense, even if I still believe it's from anyone to anyone.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56179: Jul 9th 2018 at 5:10:16 AM

You mean the darkest line in the song?
By "the song" I mean the second one.

Nearly every major addition to the song was in episodes that had to do with Rose somehow.
Which is basically just saying "Rose is important".

And I can't help but shake that they said that to throw fans off track.
To what purpose? Explicitly saying it was about Rose would still be a far vaguer hint to her origin than numerous statements she made in-series.

And I certainly don't think Sugar would fabricate an incredibly personal anecdote like that about the song ending up different than how she started it.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#56180: Jul 9th 2018 at 5:30:07 AM

"I used to think I might be bad, now I'm sure that it's true. 'Cause I think you're so good..."

And I suppose I understand keeping it general.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#56181: Jul 9th 2018 at 5:54:38 AM

So regarding the promo, it looks like Centipeedle didn't notice the Diamonds on her way out. I wonder how she'll react to seeing them. I'm guessing recoil at first then awkwardly struggle to contort her limbs into a gem salute; she was a Homeworld gem after all, and a display of Undying Loyalty like that would definitely give the diamonds pause.

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#56182: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:00:44 AM

if she spits acid at them I wouldn't blame her,they're the reason she's corrupted after all

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#56183: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:06:53 AM

[up] That's also a distinct possibility.

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#56184: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:12:34 AM

So, I was too busy to react live, but I did watch as "Reunited" aired.

Overall, whoa, well done.

Running through roughly character-by-character (and please pardon the length):

Ruby: Want to start with her, because I just felt for her the whole time. I'm glad things worked out for her, but damn, she got so much The Woobie points. I think she let Sapphire off a bit light on the apology department - while it was fair to point out that Sapphire had a point in that they never properly looked at their relationship, Sapphire was a bit cruel to how she pointed that out to Ruby. Overall, she's just hilariously Adorkable. She is nearly my favorite Crystal Gem.

Sapphire: Her problem isn't so much what she says but how she says it. But at the same time, I think she does recognize that - she's just bad at saying it. Also, seeing her in action more (and comparing this to "Keystone Motel") has me see the similarities between her and Padparadscha more (namely, sometimes getting caught up in her visions to the point of not noticing the present).

Garnet: Well, kinda tough to say much about her due to the fact that, while she was central to the bomb, she wasn't present for over 3/4 of it. Still, she looks to be in a better place because of the two above, so good for her.

Amethyst: It might've helped if she had been a little more open from the get-go about how she was trying to help out Steven, but one of her flaws has always been that she's never been good at using her words - she's always been more of a gem of action, which contrasts with Steven being more of a talker. That said, I think she demonstrated why she's the only gem that's fused with Steven so far.

Pearl: She had a weird giddy relief at the beginning of "Now We're Only Falling Apart," but I guess that's to be expected after finally getting that heavy secret loose. I kinda wish they explained just why she was suddenly free to say it after Steven said it out loud (I mean, it's not like PD put a conditional end to her last command), but whatever, I'll accept the Hand Wave since there were bigger issues to deal with. That said, I kinda wish there had been a scene between Pearl and Amethyst - particularly since the latter made clear that she did have issues, and while I can see why she didn't want to dump them on Steven, I think dumping them on Pearl would have made sense (and show growth between the two).

Bismuth: Yes, The Bus Came Back! I'm not surprised, because I had been hoping for a Bis return for a bit. I was initially afraid that she'd get poofed or even shattered on a return, so I'm glad to be wrong about that. Also, she had way more growth than I expected. I look forward to more of her.

Peridot: Well, for the most part, she was, well, classic Peri. I will note, though, that the chemistry between her and Bismuth was so good (plus, the logical synergy between an expert blacksmith and someone who's ferrokinetic, plus the fact that the two are among the most heat-resistant gems), Peri/Bis is my newest ship/hope for the next fusion.

Lapis: Yay, my favorite Crystal Gem is finally officially calling herself one! (Sorry, Ruby, but Lapis has always been my favorite and it hasn't changed.) Overall, nothing really surprising here, considering that several steps of her development were pretty by-the-numbers, but it was well done overall. That, and seeing her No-Sell Blue Diamond's Emotion Bomb was probably the most badass combat moment for the heroes in my eyes.

Cluster: I was surprised honestly that The Cluster had it together enough to fight the Diamonds. That said, once it was shown that they did have it together enough, it made perfect sense. The Cluster was made out of Crystal Gems - it stands to reason that it wouldn't be too interested in helping the Diamonds. I hope for their sake that the active Crystal Gems figure out a better solution for The Cluster than continuing to bubble them.

Blue Diamond: Mostly, I'm impressed by just how capable she really was. I know it had long been assumed that Authority Equals Asskicking on behalf of the Diamond Authority, but to see it in action was a sight to behold. I'll be honest, I really thought that, after the combined assault of the Crystal Gems plus having two spaceships dropped on her, she'd be poofed. Also, while I'm not surprised she remembers Garnet (or who made up Garnet), I'm impressed that she had the detail to remember a particular Lapis Lazuli in her service. Also, her reaction at the end (plus what's shown in the preview for the next episode) doesn't surprise me - I always thought she had Heel–Face Turn potential.

Yellow Diamond: On the other hand, didn't see her also showing a Heel–Face Turn. I honestly thought before the bomb that she'd be bubbled/shattered before turning over a new leaf. If Steven can actually get her to see her flaws and mistakes, I'll be super surprised and impressed. On the other hand, particularly given that she's taken a more active hand in the past, less surprised that she also showed serious ass-kicking potential. I'll admit, when she punched her way out of her ship, I said out loud "Round 2: fight!"

Steven: Last but not least... I mean, he's still the same person he was at the beginning of the bomb, I feel, because his growth was handled beforehand. This is just when he got to demonstrate it. For all that he was pivotal for the final battle (and did that well), I think his best moment was with Bismuth at her forge. In the battle against BD and YD, all he really had to do was demonstrate what he is. To pull Bismuth back into the fold, he had to show who he is. And even if he denied it to Bis, she was right when she pointed out just what he is to the Crystal Gems.

As for what's next... while the previews coming do show that the Diamond Authority didn't exactly mean for The Corruption to be what it turned out to be, I don't think the indication that it was supposed to be a Fantastic Nuke that just shattered them all is any better. I'm not inclined to see them any better after that revelation.

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#56185: Jul 9th 2018 at 8:26:15 AM

> I hope for their sake that the active Crystal Gems figure out a better solution for The Cluster

I think ther's' some ways I see can see the Cluster heading

1)Healing the cluster along with the corrupt Gems,which might liberate the Gems that were fused together forcefully or all the Gems merge together into a single Gem,like a new Diamond or something

2) Finding a way to remove the cluster so it fully forms so its no longer in pain,get it into space somehow

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#56186: Jul 9th 2018 at 9:28:47 AM

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Yea, with the promo revealing that the corruption wasn't the goal they had in mind, I can't see how this whole thing will be met rationally or pleasantly.

'Oh, we didn't mean to subjugate your allies to a painful mentally poisoning body mangling corruption wave. We were actually planning on murdering you all instead. Our bad.'

-Witty line-
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#56187: Jul 9th 2018 at 9:31:54 AM

They might care that loyal gems like Centi are being subjected to a Fate Worse than Death... Maybe.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#56188: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:03:38 AM

It's not known if Diamonds can even be shattered - Pink faked her death and there have only ever been four.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#56189: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:26:46 AM

I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get to see the look on Yellow Diamond's face when the cluster attacked her ship.

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#56190: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:58:11 AM

Considering how pissed she looked after emerging from her broken ship, i assume she had that face the entire fight.

That and confusion. "How the hell did the cluster even form like this?"

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#56191: Jul 9th 2018 at 12:33:35 PM

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Considering how the writers like to use the real life gem aspects, appearances, associations, etc in the characters, I would be surprised if they avoided the actual diamond's 'hit in the right spot and it breaks' weakness. They already showed how tough diamonds are, so maybe the brittle weakness could be shown through poofing them with an attack from just the right angle.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#56192: Jul 9th 2018 at 2:53:26 PM

Blue was able to walk off having her ship dropped on her, so if they have a disruption point, much less a shatter point, it's probably monstrously high.

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#56193: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:17:51 PM

What they need to take out the Diamonds is one of those shattering roboids that lock on to the Gem

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56194: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:21:27 PM

Considering how the writers like to use the real life gem aspects, appearances, associations, etc in the characters, I would be surprised if they avoided the actual diamond's 'hit in the right spot and it breaks' weakness. They already showed how tough diamonds are, so maybe the brittle weakness could be shown through poofing them with an attack from just the right angle.
Depends on if they did the research, or if they just went with Diamonds because they're the hardest gemstone. They could have confused the hardness scale with the toughness scale. The toughness scale, being how much they can take without breaking.


It'd be interesting to know what a Bort (dark, imperfect diamonds) would be. They're even harder on the hardness scale, and really high on the toughness scale too.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 9th 2018 at 7:22:26 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56195: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:25:49 PM

I just thought of a particularly cruel irony: After all this we learn Rose never shattered anyone and, for one reason or another, Steven is forced to make that kind of choice.

I doubt it will actually happen, given the series' overall tone, but it is still a thought that hit me

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56196: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:27:17 PM

Even if they did, they'd probably do a peaceful twist on it, like Avatar did.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56197: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:28:04 PM

It's a bit interesting that the story does seem to be saying now that neither Rose nor Bismuth were entirely right or entirely wrong. Well, I feel like we were supposed to believe that from the beginning, but a lot of people apparently didn't see it.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 9th 2018 at 6:29:47 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56198: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:36:47 PM

Come to think of it, I've been wondering so much about whether the Diamonds are going to take all these revelations well or if they're going to have some kind of ignored epiphany, but how is Bismuth going to take these events.

On the path to improving herself or not, I doubt she's going to be happy with ferrying the Diamonds around the grand tour of Earth.

Then again, maybe that's why she's not in the promo: she probably elects to stay behind and look after Lapis and Peridot or something.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56199: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:38:09 PM

Bismuth is visibly grimacing at both Yellow and Blue at home, especially at the part where Blue is all like "We meant to obliterate all of you, how are you alive?"

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56200: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:41:14 PM

It's a bit interesting that the story does seem to be saying now that neither Rose nor Bismuth were entirely right or entirely wrong. Well, I feel like we were supposed to believe that from the beginning, but a lot of people apparently didn't see it.

Kind of. They did address it by saying that Rose basically took her idea, but just faked it and the result was still awful. The show seems to be saying they were both wrong.


But would it have worked if Pink talked with them instead of faking her death anyway? It didn't before. A Steven was probably needed to get through to them at all. It creates a situation like the end of Enemy Mine where a child of both races becomes a living olive branch to create peace with.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 9th 2018 at 7:43:24 AM


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