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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56101: Jul 7th 2018 at 9:09:38 PM

You're mincing words. Of course that denial has reasoning in every case. But what's important that that denial is consistent, and that Gem's hesitance to believe Steven's true nature is consistent. In terms of my point whether the gems literally thought it was impossible or whether they more precisely thought it "probably wasn't true and instead was more likely that Rose was dormant or altered" isn't the point, because both reactions still show that that hesitance to believe is typical of Gems, and regardless of which either is still a problematic option should the Diamonds act the same way everyone else has.

Similarly, if "hairs breadth" bothers you, replace it with "came close" or simply "almost did" or something. My point doesn't change: Pearl, someone close to Rose who knew what she was doing, considered ripping out the Gem to get Rose back. The Diamonds, who never understood or cared about Pink's ideology at all and don't have any reason at all to care about Steven specifically, wouldn't have that same reservation.

Yellow Diamond is also analytical and in a position to actually understand there are risks with tampering with something like this. She's emotional, but she's not stupid or rash.

Yellow Diamond's response to things bothering her or being in the way of what she wants has consistently been to blow those things up.

The entire point of us getting all the talk about Yellow being analytical and logical and well reasoned was for the payoff of us actually finding out what she's truly like and learning that she's petty, temperamental and destructive.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 7th 2018 at 9:42:45 AM

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#56102: Jul 7th 2018 at 9:38:21 PM

Yeah, I get the impression some people think that just from the snippets of the previews that the problem with the Diamonds is more or less solved, but we don't know that yet. Blue and Yellow are in shock; we don't know how they'll end up reacting to the situation just yet.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56103: Jul 7th 2018 at 9:42:42 PM

Well, I don't want to defend Yellow. So I'll just say I think it's unlikely, they'll go that route, 1) because I don't think they'd have anyone seriously try it because it's a morbid concept and this is still a show for kids. And 2) because if either of the Diamonds actually wanted to do it, unlike Pearl they wouldn't fail at attempting it, they'd go through with it. And Steven has Plot Armor so that's not going to happen. I could see Blue and Yellow having a fight over the idea, maybe.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 7th 2018 at 12:51:32 PM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56104: Jul 7th 2018 at 10:09:57 PM

I'm wondering whether the gems' wedding clothes were material or made via shapeshifting. On one hand, Peridot's dress and shoes disappeared when Yellow destabilized her. On the other, Peridot's inability to shapeshift probably extends to her clothes, Bismuth refers to her armor as "the nicest thing she owns" (implying she couldn't shapeshift a new outfit), and Pearl is seemingly reusing the tuxedo she got in Empire City.

Has that power just been quietly retconned out of existence? I can't remember the last time it was used, and there's been several instances where gems put on human clothing (the baseball uniforms in "Hit the Diamond", Ruby's cowboy outfit in "The Question") instead of replicating it with their powers.


I rewatched the next episode promo and noticed that, when Blue is holding Steven in the palm of her hand and crying Tears of Joy, her powers are still making him cry along!

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#56105: Jul 7th 2018 at 10:19:16 PM

[up] Changing your clothes is a facet of shapeshifting. I don't see why they would retcon it. In fact, I believe there's actually an issue in the new run of comics where Amethyst shapeshifts into her outfit from "Too Short To Ride" while keeping her regular form, so it's still canon there.

As for Peridot... I think it's just an oversight. Plus, her dress falling with her gem wouldn't be as dramatic as her gem just hitting the sand.

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#56106: Jul 7th 2018 at 10:36:49 PM

Changing clothes was just a thing...

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#56108: Jul 7th 2018 at 10:45:51 PM

They made a big deal out of it...by which I mean it was a flashy transformation sequence in season 1 which all 3 of them did.

But in "Last One out of Beach City" Pearl had to physically put on pants and a jacket because reasons.

Sooo...

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#56109: Jul 7th 2018 at 11:04:48 PM

I honestly don't see what's the problem of them using clothes. Rose had fricking armor hidden in her armory (so Bismuth wearing physical armor makes sense).

Shapeshiftng clothes usually involves rearranging their color schemes. They can just easily shapeshift any extraneous elements in their standard designs and put on clothes if there's some need for it (like the baseball disguises, or wearing formal attire for the wedding).

Also, Steven and Connie and the comics establish that worn physical clothing is merged when fusion occurs, which is what happened to Garnet's clothes.

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#56110: Jul 8th 2018 at 2:41:53 AM

wild mass guessPeri's clothes were brought for her to wear,although that raises even more questions,like how do you fit it over her head,unless involved taking the dress apart and putting it back together while its on her

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 8th 2018 at 9:50:08 AM

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#56111: Jul 8th 2018 at 5:50:31 AM

[up] Smush her hair and pull the dress through.


So, something I just realized; "Escapism" is a Season 6 song.

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#56112: Jul 8th 2018 at 5:56:52 AM

My theory about Peri's dress is that it actually exploded when she got poofed.

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#56113: Jul 8th 2018 at 7:09:39 AM

Well it would be accurate to say that her clothes were disintegrated by the electricity Yellow throw at her

Luckily Gems reform with their clothes on!

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#56114: Jul 8th 2018 at 7:49:07 AM

RIP Peridot's dress


Luckily Gems reform with their clothes on!
I am immediately reminded of this animatic.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56115: Jul 8th 2018 at 9:09:40 AM

I honestly don't see what's the problem of them using clothes. Rose had fricking armor hidden in her armory (so Bismuth wearing physical armor makes sense).
I just wonder why they'd go to the effort of finding material clothes, especially ones that fit. Though the armor is presumably more durable than anything shapeshifting can make.

Shapeshiftng clothes usually involves rearranging their color schemes. They can just easily shapeshift any extraneous elements in their standard designs and put on clothes if there's some need for it (like the baseball disguises, or wearing formal attire for the wedding).
I don't understand what you're saying here. In "Beach Party", Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl made completely new outfits just by copying what they saw in a fashion magazine.

Peri's clothes were brought for her to wear,although that raises even more questions,like how do you fit it over her head
Smush her hair and pull the dress through.
Or step into it—the arm straps have ties.

I'm more curious about her changing out of her regular clothes. If she just took them off, did they disperse or just hang around until she was poofed? Or maybe she put the dress on over them. She's clearly wearing the same leggings, though the straps should also be visible.

Well it would be accurate to say that her clothes were disintegrated by the electricity Yellow throw at her
The visual effect suggests her power works the same as the disruptor (i.e. it only affects gem constructs). If it is just electricity, then it's odd that it disintegrate her clothes and shoes without harming her gemstone.
Greg buying Ruby's cowboy outfit makes me wonder if Ruby didn't learn to shapeshift her clothes (or at all), even though Garnet did. Which brings up the question of how a fusion's experience transfers back to their parts.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56116: Jul 8th 2018 at 9:18:48 AM

It's also possible that Ruby and Sapphire just appreciate the fun of wearing something that they didn't create. Garnet's visor isn't part of her form like Peridot's, I don't think (it seems to be stored, like their weapons). Plus there was that bit of Garnet giving Peridot the thumbs up for trying on some of Steven's clothes.

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#56117: Jul 8th 2018 at 9:30:01 AM

Dressing up is fun

Oh really when?
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#56118: Jul 8th 2018 at 9:57:26 AM

It's like Steven insisting on getting Garnet to wear golf pants that one time

And I imagine the feeling of wearing something is different from shapeshifting clothes that would just be part of a Gem's light projection

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 8th 2018 at 12:58:24 PM

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56119: Jul 8th 2018 at 10:23:32 AM

Garnet's visor isn't part of her form like Peridot's, I don't think (it seems to be stored, like their weapons).
Even if Pearl has copies inside her gem, I'm pretty sure they're part of their constructs just like their bodies and regular clothes.

Even if the weapons aren't actively created, Garnet morphed her glasses into swim goggles once, and when she transforms into Steven she makes them shorter because there isn't a third eye to cover.

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#56120: Jul 8th 2018 at 11:06:53 AM

Garnet morphed her glasses into swim goggles once.

Her glasses and goggles are two different things, actually.

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#56121: Jul 8th 2018 at 11:07:16 AM

Ruby's dress was shifted. It clearly had an open back, and a Ruby's outfit covers the entire body except the arms and legs.

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#56122: Jul 8th 2018 at 11:16:10 AM

She could've just took her shirt off, as she clearly did with her headband.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#56123: Jul 8th 2018 at 11:25:19 AM

A gem's clothes are part of their body. Why only go halfway?

Edited by HextarVigar on Jul 8th 2018 at 11:26:01 AM

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#56124: Jul 8th 2018 at 11:29:04 AM

Think Yellow and Blue have ever fused before? Probably not, because even without weird Homeworld standards, I imagine most things aren't big enough treats to them for it to be necessary.

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#56125: Jul 8th 2018 at 11:35:02 AM

Also, Garnet's fused form incoporated Sapphire's tuxedo, and fusing would have torn both outfits to shreds.

And finally, Ruby's dress would have burst into flames when she did.

Edited by HextarVigar on Jul 8th 2018 at 11:37:51 AM

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