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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56076: Jul 7th 2018 at 3:32:01 PM

Though it probably just happened to facilitate a meaningful costume change (for both Peridot and Lapis) did Peridot just rushing out like that seem rash even for her, to anyone else?

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#56077: Jul 7th 2018 at 3:52:59 PM

She seemed to be running on pure adrenaline when it came to Diamondo...

Because just earlier she was talking about how they were gonna die...

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#56078: Jul 7th 2018 at 3:54:52 PM

I was actually really surprised she was involved in the fight,I thought they would send her away for her own safety

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56079: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:10:08 PM

Though it probably just happened to facilitate a meaningful costume change (for both Peridot and Lapis) did Peridot just rushing out like that seem rash even for her, to anyone else?
Not for me. I think she's just not a coward consistently enough anymore, to see it as going against her character. Plus she's implied before she's willing to fight for Earth, and her outburst to Yellow happened after she had already joined them fighting against Blue.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 7th 2018 at 7:12:24 AM

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#56080: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:15:36 PM

So what's the situation with the diamonds? Did they tell anyone else that they were going to earth? Because this seems like something the two might have been doing in secret.

Like, if they went to earth just to check on the cluster and kickstart it again, i assume they would at least bring a few soldiers with them but they seemingly did not.

I guess the reason both came alone (pearls may or may not be included) is because of their personal connection with PD and seeing Earth one last time without any of her followers knowing. Just a thought

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#56081: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:17:08 PM

All of this, I think, gives Steven and the Crystal Gems a foothold on Homeworld socially and politically. Blue and Yellow are probably going to be so overjoyed about Pink being alive they're not going to care about fighting the Crystal Gems, destroying Earth, and the promos indicate they're all right with Steven not having Pink's memories.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#56082: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:23:50 PM

This may have been the originally planned ending, but since we know are getting more seasons I get the feeling that this truce may not last, or it will change to become something else.

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#56083: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:26:58 PM

They'd probably think Steven is Pink's reincarnation,bt learning he has actually a 'son' would be difficult thing for them to grasp,and telling them she gave up her physical form so he could exist would be really disturbing/upsetting for them since it means to them that Pink Diamond really is gone forever

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#56084: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:32:54 PM

It would be funny if killing steven and removing his gem would just create...another steven

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56085: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:40:21 PM

I still don't think they're liable to take it well. If their first reaction is to (incorrectly) assume they can just kill or otherwise excise Steven and bring Pink back (like Pearl almost tried years ago) that's going to be a problem, and with their disdain for organic life in general (Yellow's especially) that's not an unlikely outcome.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#56086: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:53:36 PM

Sapphire and Ruby understand the concept that marriage has, but it makes me wonder why didn't Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz go through with it with Greg.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#56087: Jul 7th 2018 at 4:56:17 PM

We don't know if Steven can reform, and I would hate to test it, but something tells me that he might be able to survive death like you suggest.

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#56088: Jul 7th 2018 at 5:00:08 PM

> but it makes me wonder why didn't Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz go through with it with Greg.

technically Steven is their marriage,a hybrid Gem/Human

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56089: Jul 7th 2018 at 5:42:48 PM

I still don't think they're liable to take it well. If their first reaction is to (incorrectly) assume they can just kill or otherwise excise Steven and bring Pink back (like Pearl almost tried years ago) that's going to be a problem, and with their disdain for organic life in general (Yellow's especially) that's not an unlikely outcome
I don't know why everyone is so sure they'd do that. They have no idea what it means for a gem to combine with a human body. For all they know they could lose Pink all over again if they tried it.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 7th 2018 at 8:42:58 AM

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#56090: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:33:13 PM

I would like to say few pages late that accepting life isn't fair at young age IS good lesson [lol]

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#56091: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:49:42 PM

Hopefully Blue has enough info from the Zoo to know what a child is, that might ease this,

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#56092: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:53:50 PM

Hopefully Yellow has realized that she won't be able to control the Cluster, because if she still wants her geoweapon then I can see her still trying to cause the thing to hatch. She seems to have come because she heard it got bubbled, but I have no idea how she could have found that out. Do you think there's a way to get the Cluster out of the Earth's core and safely into space?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#56093: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:34:30 PM

She seems to have come because she heard it got bubbled, but I have no idea how she could have found that out.
I don't think she knew anything about the Cluster's actual status. Every indication she was given was that the Cluster was more or less on schedule. Her coming is most likely because it was actually time to claim it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56094: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:49:35 PM

I don't know why everyone is so sure they'd do that. They have no idea what it means for a gem to combine with a human body. For all they know they could lose Pink all over again if they tried it.

We already know from experience that the first reaction Gems tend to have to learning what Steven is: that what he truly is is impossible, and thus that he's either a projection or an obstruction. Every Gem who knew Rose and meets Steven reacts this way, with no exceptions: they either believe Steven is Rose, or they think Rose is dormant within Steven. Pearl, who was a lot less disdainful of human life than Yellow Diamond, came within a hair breadth of killing Steven to try and get Rose back when he was a baby, while struggling with the same emotions Blue and Yellow are now.

So they could come to that conclusion, but given what we know about Gem perspective it's unlikely that they would understand Steven's connection with Pink's Gem enough to do so.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 7th 2018 at 7:51:01 AM

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#56095: Jul 7th 2018 at 8:02:29 PM

I think there might be a Gem civil war coming with Blue and Yellow on opposite sides. I think Yellow's likely to have her previous opinion that all this happened because Pink was too young for a colony reaffirmed (only instead of being shattered by Gems she couldn't control Pink wasn't hardened enough to keep from being swayed from her purpose) and go right back to running the Gem Empire as a militant oppressive force. Blue, however, I think is more likely to want to reconnect with and preserve what's left of the Pink she knew, and in doing so take to heart what Pink and now Steven felt that she didn't listen to when Pink was still around. So Blue might try to introduce reforms that she thinks Pink would have wanted, but Yellow goes "not you too!" at Earth turning another sister towards individuality and suppress all reforms (and possibly attack Earth for being at the heart of all the disruptions).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56096: Jul 7th 2018 at 8:06:40 PM

I mean, Blue's response to keeping Pink's memory alive in the past was to forcibly imprison a multitude of Gems who resembled the one who supposedly killed her - presumably for eternity - and also to imprison humans because that's what she assumed Pink liked. She's never really understood what Pink was about, she was just hoarding Pink's memorabilia to make herself feel better.

Note that between the two of them, Blue is the one shown attempting to murder one of her subjects for accidentally insulting her by stepping out of line. Garnet doesn't hate her guts for no reason. Beyond their feelings for Pink, Yellow's so far known for her nasty, irrational temper, and Blue is known for a cold, callous cruelty.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 7th 2018 at 8:09:48 AM

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#56097: Jul 7th 2018 at 8:14:47 PM

There were also bad communication issues between Pink and her sisters. Who were apparently left with the impression that Pink wanted to preserve Earth because colonizing was tooooooo harrrrrrrrrrd

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#56098: Jul 7th 2018 at 8:47:39 PM

So what's the situation with the diamonds? Did they tell anyone else that they were going to earth? Because this seems like something the two might have been doing in secret.
I get the impression everything they do is on a need-to-know basis.

Blue's response to keeping Pink's memory alive in the past was to forcibly imprison a multitude of Gems who resembled the one who supposedly killed her
Seemed more like Blue's sentiment was all that was keeping them alive. They might have even been bubbled before the fake shattering just because of the rebellion (they are in pink bubbles, after all).

Blue is the one shown attempting to murder one of her subjects for accidentally insulting her by stepping out of line.
Saying she's "the one" shown doing that seems like splitting hair—that's basically what Yellow tried with Peridot, besides it being an accident (arguably).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56099: Jul 7th 2018 at 9:01:17 PM

Her trying to kill Ruby has even less justification than what Yellow tried to do to Peridot, as in Yellow's case Peridot at least had a stake in it: Yellow entirely wrong and being petty on top of it, but lashing out at an underling who dared speak up is still less jarring than the cruelty of doing the same thing to one who was just trying to exactly what was expected of them, simply because in doing an exemplary job she caused something that ruffled Blue's feathers. In terms of what she was going to be killed for, Ruby was an innocent.

Blue is used as an indication of how awful life on Homeworld really is for anyone who isn't higher class, whereas Yellow is used as an indication that under the idealized propaganda they spit out the Diamonds are as flawed as the rest of us.

Seemed more like Blue's sentiment was all that was keeping them alive. They might have even been bubbled before the fake shattering just because of the rebellion (they are in pink bubbles, after all).

Whether Yellow would have killed them doesn't make Blue's actions any less unconscionable than they are, especially since we know for a fact that Blue did so not out of a respect for their lives but for her own entirely selfish reasons. Both Diamonds are dealing with grief by being hypocritical, just in different ways. Imprisoning those Gems keeps them alive (though it prevents them from actually living), but that doesn't change the fact that Blue doesn't actually care about their lives: she only cares about hoarding what Pink used to have.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 7th 2018 at 9:42:07 AM

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#56100: Jul 7th 2018 at 9:05:47 PM

We already know from experience that the first reaction Gems tend to have to learning what Steven is: that what he truly is is impossible, and thus that he's either a projection or an obstruction. Every Gem who knew Rose and meets Steven reacts this way, with no exceptions: they either believe Steven is Rose, or they think Rose is dormant within Steven.Pearl, who was a lot less disdainful of human life than Yellow Diamond, came within a hair breadth of killing Steven to try and get Rose back when he was a baby, while struggling with the same emotions Blue and Yellow are now.
They never thought it was impossible in that episode. They didn't understand what a baby was, and they were in denial because Rose had only been gone a few months. Bismuth was in denial, for the complete opposite reason, because she doesn't trust Rose.

I take issue with the hair's breadth comment. People act like she actually tried to pull his gem out, but she didn't even come close to actually doing it. She touched his gem with her fingers for a millisecond, he laughed, and in an instant, she grimaced and stopped.


Yellow Diamond is also analytical and in a position to actually understand different physiologies better and that there are risks with tampering with something like this. She's emotional, but she's not stupid or rash. I mean, she waited 6000 years for a planet to blow up. I think it's equally likely that even if she wanted to do that, she'd want to be certain it'd work so she doesn't end up "killing pink" in the process.

Edited by xanderiskander on Jul 7th 2018 at 12:11:50 PM


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