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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#55576: Jul 2nd 2018 at 2:37:45 PM

A very short Pearl and Pink Dimond flashback

No spoilers though

promo art by Christine Liu

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 2nd 2018 at 11:19:29 AM

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GreatT HOT DOG Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
HOT DOG
#55577: Jul 2nd 2018 at 4:37:05 PM

Pink Diamond's so happy and bouncy.

When you wish upon a side of beef, soon will come an end to all your grief
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#55578: Jul 2nd 2018 at 4:39:59 PM

she's totally a kid diamond

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55579: Jul 2nd 2018 at 4:44:26 PM

I was worried the promos would give too much away about the early episodes. Immediately continuing Pearl and Pink Diamond's backstory was a really welcome surprise.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55580: Jul 2nd 2018 at 4:45:06 PM

Well, that certainly changes a little of how the whole revolution seemed to go.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#55581: Jul 2nd 2018 at 4:47:05 PM

So they're looking for Ruby

hmmm

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55582: Jul 2nd 2018 at 4:56:24 PM

No shit Ruby's pissed. Sapphire basically called her insignificant to her face. Out of misplaced rage, but that's a freak out that's going to have a cost.

But on the more uplifting side, this overturns a little of the unsympathetic feels the Rose / Pink reveal. Instead of building a personality cult around herself based on lies, like Sapphire and a lot of the fanbase assumed, she actually attempted a small, (and doomed to fail from what we know of Sapphire's visions in The Answer) petty attempt to boogeyman the Gems away, but kept realizing that there were more worthwhile causes to fight for, and once the floodgates opened she couldn't stop latching onto people who also needed her support.

Or as Sapphire put it, she was following them rather than the other way around. Garnet and Pearl, and presumably all the gems to come after, were the real symbols of the rebellion. Which adds another tragic layer to the fight with Bismuth. Bismuth saw Rose as sanctimonious, but it's more likely she had no idea what to do about any of it (much like Steven often tends to) and was just caught between doing what she thought was right. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bismuth incident is what inspired Rose to "kill" Pink Diamond in the end.

And the whole chain of discovering life and realizing what she's doing is yet another similarity between Rose's arc and Peridot's, to the point where I'm really starting to suspect that's intentional.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 2nd 2018 at 4:57:59 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#55583: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:00:17 PM

Y'see, this is why you shouldn't judge until we get more information.

And dang, they're searching for Ruby, not Sapphire. They hid that well.

Prediction: Amethyst took Ruby and Peridot for a girls' night out.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55584: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:02:35 PM

And the whole chain of discovering life and realizing what she's doing is yet another similarity between Rose's arc and Peridot's, to the point where I'm really starting to suspect that's intentional.
Starting to? They respective Heel Realizations came with nigh-identical wording.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55585: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:07:05 PM

I mean, it's really blatant: Peridot is to date the only Crystal Gem we know of who is one for the exact same reasons Rose did - because she loves life, and loves fostering it - plus the only one who really has that same devotion to the Earth itself and human culture, and a lot of the things she says about how much she loves Earth sound like they could come straight out of Rose's mouth.

But so far I've been wondering if they were intentionally meant to be counterparts, or whether it just kind of ended up that way through that also being a natural contrast of Peridot's original personality (callous, cold intellectual with no regard for non-Gem life going from Measuring the Marigolds to being intensely devoted to all life in all its details), because nobody ever brings up that Peridot's ideals are just like Rose's in-universe. I don't think Word Of God has made the connection to us, either.

But now we have Rose's Start Of Goodness even more clearly mirroring Peridot's (Rose's being much faster), so maybe they've just not thought it was something that beared pointing out.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:09:54 AM

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#55586: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:09:21 PM

So that line back in Message Received where Pearl answered Steven's question about Yellow Pearl with 'Not all Pearls know each other' is funny as she did know her.

And the second Pearl mentions how she was given to Pink I thought 'From White Diamond.'

-Witty line-
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55587: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:11:26 PM

The iced over place from the trailer is Rose's fountain, which is only iced over because of Sapphire, and I feel like an idiot for not recognizing that doorway.

We finally saw gems emerging. Wasn't that spectacular, but still neat.

maybe they've just not thought it was something that beared pointing out.
They commentary I've heard generally hasn't commented on Rose's character, just other character's response to her—for now obvious reasons.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#55588: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:20:48 PM

So Pink didn't base her Rose Quartz disguise and gem orientation on the RQ line but instead copied the Amethyst design. That's a bit anticlimactic.

-Witty line-
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#55589: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:21:32 PM

Pearl was'nt lying about the 'not all Pearls' since she served Pink primarily she likely didn't interact with the other pearls so she couldn't have claimed to have 'known them'

Also,someone spotted Topazes alongside the Amethysts

Also,still waiting for 'White Diamond' to be name dropped

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 2nd 2018 at 12:42:19 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55590: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:23:05 PM

[up][up]That's still possible. After all, a previously unheard of Gem type showing up among regular rank and file soldiers would draw a lot of attention, and Pink disguised herself as Rose to be less noticeable.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:24:49 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#55591: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:40:22 PM

Huh, so it wasn't Pink who made the zoo, at least that removes the hypocrisy.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55592: Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:45:30 PM

Since I wasn't expecting an extended Pink/Pearl Origins Episode, I'm trying to remember the questions that were unexpectedly answered:

  • The Zoo was Blue and Yellow's attempt at compromise, not Pink's. Pink's thought process went directly from "make a colony (don't think about the consequence)" to "save Earth outright", and never wanted the Zoo at all. Pearl said she visited at least once, which makes me really curious how she felt then.
  • The biggest actual change to Pink/Rose's mission was Garnet inspiring her to also liberate some gems, and let them live on Earth.
  • The previous makes it seems Rose and Pearl really were the only Crystal Gems by "The Answer". Either the "save Earth" message alone reached at least a few more gems, or Sapphire's description of a "Small, persistent group of rebels" was a massive underestimate.
  • Pearl was given to Pink Diamond a while before they came to Earth, but they didn't really bond until after. Maybe the circumstance of them meeting were important, maybe not.
  • The first gems didn't come from Earth's Kindergarten until after Pink took over the colony, but it seems a lot of the architecture was already built and being used by migrant gems.
  • Pink's Rose Quartz persona, though not by that name, was made before trying to save the Earth, or even learning anything about it.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jul 2nd 2018 at 7:50:55 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#55594: Jul 2nd 2018 at 6:02:19 PM

Didn't she actually say that in the episode?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55595: Jul 2nd 2018 at 6:08:49 PM

The literal line was "Hey, fellow Amethyst guards." but the fanart is parodying a scene from 30 Rock.

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#55596: Jul 2nd 2018 at 6:26:35 PM

I love it when fanart predicts the show.

Speaking of fanart, please look at this surprisingly beautiful comic about Peridot gardening literally everywhere.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#55597: Jul 2nd 2018 at 6:26:58 PM

Hey, hey, hey, notice how Pearl remarked that she "wasn't yours" to Pink Diamond? A gift from White Diamond maybe? Or was that part of her hypothetical/imagination about having run away and met Rose?

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jul 2nd 2018 at 9:31:17 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#55598: Jul 2nd 2018 at 6:33:48 PM

[up] Her imagination that she ran away from her original owner and met Rose on Earth.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55599: Jul 2nd 2018 at 7:04:57 PM

Even if that is where she came from, Pearl was definitely talking about her fantasy in that context.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jul 2nd 2018 at 9:04:56 AM

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#55600: Jul 2nd 2018 at 7:08:41 PM

Man, what a great episode. Though maybe a little rushed at the start. There was barely time to breath between Sapphire freaking out and Pearl telling her story.

My favorite part was Pearl just kinda stumbling into the whole "personal agency" thing. As far as she was consciously aware, she was just following orders, but she actually had a lot more imput on everything than she ever realized. That also exposes one of Rose's biggest flaws: being unable to identify how much she effect others. I am not sure she ever quite realized, even after everything. She wanted so badly to just be pals with everyone that she missed how much people looked up to her. That might be the biggest difference, as a leader, from Garnet.


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