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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#55426: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:45:03 AM

I can accept Ruby and Sapphire doing it as a form of goofy, romantic roleplay. But I can't really imagining marriage having any real effect on their dynamic or relationship.

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#55427: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:51:36 AM

Why would you think it would?

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#55429: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:28:39 AM

I mean, a marriage doesn't really validate a relationship any more than the two participants choose to have it validate said relationship.

A ceremony is to celebrate the relationship, which I could totally see Ruby and Sapphire wanting to do (well, when they aren't freaking out about the events of "A Single Pale Rose"). And, well, there are some sociopolitical effects to a marriage, but most of those are ones that Ruby/Sapphire/Garnet wouldn't worry about at all (given that they aren't "in the system" such as it were). That said, one of the sociological effects of a marriage is the imprimatur of societal approval of the couple. In this case, the big step forward would be that Beach City approves and is accepting of the Crystal Gems, rather than having them being a separate entity that happens to live very close by. It's a culmination of what Rose wanted, in a way - it lets the Crystal Gems be a part of Earth, not just living on it.

In short, I'm in favor of Ruby and Sapphire having a wedding ceremony. It's not just cute, but thematically appropriate.

That said, watching that preview... ooh boy. We're in for it.

Also, going back a bit... I think Bismuth will handle the truth comparatively well. She did finally grasp that Steven is not Rose, so I think she'll be similarly able to grasp that Steven is not Pink Diamond. That said, I think she'd completely go independent, because I don't think she could just go back to Rose's organization after all that went down. Know what I could totally see, though? Bismuth hooking up with the Off Colors and going full space pirate.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#55430: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:30:41 AM

Is anyone else thinking waking up Bismuth might not actually happen before the wedding, but might be something of a Godzilla Threshold for the Crystal Gems?

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#55431: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:37:35 AM

I'd split the difference, based on what we've seen in that last preview.

Since it looks like someone let Jasper out, it wouldn't surprise me if other bubbled gems were let out around the same time. In fact, given that it's been shown that bubbles can be released by accident (that's how Bismuth was previously unbubbled, after all), it wouldn't surprise me if Jasper smacks someone hard into Bis' bubble and she gets let out by accident.

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#55432: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:45:14 AM

That's the Corrupted Jasper Jasper brought into her army and Amethyst later bubbled.

Also, I would be so here for Bismuth joining the Off Colors.

edited 25th Jun '18 8:47:48 AM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#55433: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:46:13 AM

Is it really thematically appropriate for Ruby and Sapphire to gain acceptance by performing a ceremony that has no real meaning to them? I take some issue with the idea that that should be a prerequisite.

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#55434: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:48:17 AM

It's sticking to the caste system back on Homeworld that wouldn't allow Gems like Sapphire to have relationships with a lower class Gem like a Ruby

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#55435: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:50:08 AM

[up]The Diamonds really are showing up to voice their disapproval!

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#55436: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:51:21 AM

If the ceremony had no real meaning to them, would they do it at all? I think what we've seen shows that, whether it be what I suspect is correct or not, the ceremony does have some meaning to them. Maybe it's not necessarily the meaning that my marriage had for me, or what any human would attach to their marriage, but I have to figure it means something to Ruby and Sapphire if they're going through with it.

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#55437: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:51:50 AM

It's not acceptance for them, it's acceptance for the Crystal Gems as a whole. As 32_Footsteps said:

In this case, the big step forward would be that Beach City approves and is accepting of the Crystal Gems, rather than having them being a separate entity that happens to live very close by. It's a culmination of what Rose wanted, in a way - it lets the Crystal Gems be a part of Earth, not just living on it.

[up] Once again, it could symbolize the start of a new chapter in their relationship.

edited 25th Jun '18 8:53:53 AM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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#55438: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:53:05 AM

[up][up]It's a fun little LARP.

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#55439: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:55:14 AM

@55428 Ah, you're right, I missed the gem placement at first. So Jasper probably isn't coming back just yet. Still, my point about bubbled possibly being accidentally opened stands.

EDIT: @55433 That's a good possibility. I'm not so much attached to which meaning is correct at the moment (there are probably several others we're not thinking of at the moment that would be satisfying) so much as the core idea that there is a meaning for them to go forward with it. If I feel confident in just about anything about Ruby, Sapphire, and Garnet, it's that nobody's going to make them do what they don't want to do.

edited 25th Jun '18 8:57:44 AM by 32_Footsteps

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#55440: Jun 25th 2018 at 9:39:08 AM

Jasper's also multi-coloured; the other one is just shades of brown.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55441: Jun 25th 2018 at 10:04:55 AM

Is it really thematically appropriate for Ruby and Sapphire to gain acceptance by performing a ceremony that has no real meaning to them? I take some issue with the idea that that should be a prerequisite.
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They're doing it because they want to. Do you really think this show is going to portray it as them being pressured or forced to do it to be recognized as members of Beach City or whatever? It's a bonding ritual geez.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#55442: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:03:50 PM

Well, no. But that's kind of what it sounded like in 32_Footsteps's answer. They may not be against the idea, but I'm not really sold on the idea of their wedding ceremony, something that would be pretty meaningless to Ruby and Sapphire as anything more than a frilly novelty, being the thing that symbolically makes them fully part of the Earth after hundreds of years.

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#55443: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:25:18 PM

If Lapis ends up turning the tide right when it looks like they've lost I wouldn't be too surprise,unless she really has fled Earth in which case..people are going to hate her even more

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#55444: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:49:08 PM

Is there a reason that the Diamonds are coming now or maybe that will be explained in the new episodes?

One thing that bothered me in Pale Rose is why did Pearl reveal Rose's Secret at that point? I was thinking afterwards that it wasn't actually her decision to use a loophole to bypass the gag order and it seemed as though her subconscious or inner Pearl was doing it against the outer Pearl's consent or will and Pearl decided to go along with it. It was like her mind was rebelling.

Feels alittle like a contrived coincidence based on the timing as I suspect the truth about Pink will be the best defense against Yellow and Blue. If so, storywise it makes sense as they need that information now before the confrontation.

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#55445: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:50:35 PM

Watsonian reason: It looks like Ruby and Sapphire are going to have a pretty big fight. As in "might break up." This could be a vow renewal (as mentioned before), or expressing their love using Earth concepts - similar how to Pearl based some of her ideology on knighthood.

Doylist reason: It would be nice to see a gay couple get outright married in a children's cartoon.

edited 25th Jun '18 1:51:17 PM by SilentColossus

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#55446: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:50:37 PM

[up][up]Because it had gotten to the point where Steven was suffering mental trauma over not being told the truth?

edited 25th Jun '18 1:50:44 PM by PhiSat

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#55447: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:51:47 PM

They've probably been planning this invasion for awhile now,probably part of a plan that if the Cluster fails to destroy the planet they'll just invade anyway

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#55448: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:53:08 PM

Do the Diamonds even know the Cluster has been neutralised? Blue Diamond definitely didn't know yet when she took Greg. It could be they're arriving to observe the Cluster and take it away to use as a weapon

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#55449: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:55:03 PM

I think they could probably make the intelligent guess that "If the planet is still there by x date then we know its failed and we move to plan B and invade"

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55450: Jun 25th 2018 at 1:58:24 PM

Doylist reason: It would be nice to see a gay couple get outright married in a children's cartoon.

Basically. This is one situation where the out of universe reasons are likely taking precedence to the in universe circumstances. Not necessarily a bad thing, given the subject, but probably what's happening.


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