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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55376: Jun 22nd 2018 at 4:58:42 PM

Steven being Steven, he'd want to cure any corrupted Gem no matter who they are anyway.

edited 22nd Jun '18 4:59:59 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55377: Jun 22nd 2018 at 4:58:59 PM

While I'm not one for the "Rose was worse than we all thought" camp, is there any liklihood Rose knew of a way to cure Corruption, at the cost of exposing her identity?

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#55378: Jun 22nd 2018 at 5:01:57 PM

No. She successfully kept enough secrets that she would've healed them if she could without the other Gems finding out. I think the secret to uncorrupting someone is going to be a combination of Steven being part human and Steven learning that he's a Diamond. Well, that or Homeworld just has a gadget that can decorrupt Gems.

edited 22nd Jun '18 5:02:30 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55379: Jun 22nd 2018 at 5:10:37 PM

Pink also could have been left out of the loop about corruption. Blue and Yellow didn't usually take her seriously.

I'm inclined to believe Garnet and Pearl when they said she tried and couldn't do it. Garnet could just not know, but there's not really any reason to think Pearl would lie about that either.

edited 22nd Jun '18 5:23:13 PM by xanderiskander

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#55380: Jun 22nd 2018 at 5:42:59 PM

I'm also sure Pink = Rose will also lead to her becoming a Broken Pedestal among Homeworld loyalists.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55381: Jun 22nd 2018 at 6:52:39 PM

I think corrupting Jasper was a mistake because it means we have to go through an extra hurdle to see her reaction or anything else from her really. Poofing her would have been a better option.
The other hurdles also bear mentioning: Even if she's cured, how could she get out? The Crystal Gems have every reason to keep her bubbled, and wouldn't survive most scenarios where Homeworld free Jasper themselves. And for this specific case, what could prove to Jasper that Rose was Pink Diamond?

But I want to see her face when it hits her so bad that I hope they managed it somehow.

Pretty sure [Bismuth] would lash out.
I predict the opposite: this'll make Bismuth even madder at Rose, but Steven telling her would be good evidence that he isn't Rose. Especially if Steven's the one who lets Bismuth out.

While I'm not one for the "Rose was worse than we all thought" camp, is there any likelihood Rose knew of a way to cure Corruption, at the cost of exposing her identity?
She would have revealed her identity if that alone would allow a cure to be reached. Being a diamond is probably why Rose thought she could eventually cure it herself, and gave her some other vague ideas, but nothing actionable.
I do wonder if we'll ever find out more of the limits and workings of the diamonds' corruption power, or if it (and a potential cure) aren't elaborated on any more than "something the diamonds can do".

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#55382: Jun 22nd 2018 at 6:56:50 PM

[up][up] Of the ones that know she exists, you mean? Yellow wiped all traces of Pink after the war.

edited 22nd Jun '18 6:57:27 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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#55383: Jun 22nd 2018 at 6:58:08 PM

What if she KNOWS Rose is Pink Diamond!?

Nah. Too contrived.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55384: Jun 22nd 2018 at 6:58:59 PM

[up][up]Yellow certainly doesn't want anything that reminds her of Pink, but the idea that she's literally covering up Pink's existence isn't well substantiated.

(And that doesn't matter anyway. The Era 2 gems aren't going to care if some historical figure turns out to be a traitor.)

[up]She'd have never allowed Steven in the same room as Blue for the trial.

edited 22nd Jun '18 7:00:33 PM by thatother1dude

Sedorna Since: Apr, 2014
#55385: Jun 22nd 2018 at 7:34:06 PM

[up][up] My personal favorite theory is that Yellow Diamond figured out that Pink Diamond was Rose Quartz when she saw Steven’s gem.

But she doesn’t know that Steven isn’t Pink Diamond. She believes that Steven has all of Pink’s memories. So Yellow figures out that if she makes a big to-do about shattering “Rose”, then Pink Diamond would confess everything. After all, what else could she do? Die for a silly little game she was playing? How absurd!

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#55386: Jun 22nd 2018 at 7:35:57 PM

Honestly, I wonder if any of the regular characters are going to have trouble trusting that Steven definitely isn't Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz from now on. Sure, he'd have to be maintaining a ridiculously elaborate act... but it's come to light that Pink Diamond was maintaining an elaborate act for literally thousands of years. As far as anyone knows, how can you rule out that she's still doing that very thing?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55387: Jun 22nd 2018 at 8:39:16 PM

Yellow Diamond figured out that Pink Diamond was Rose Quartz when she saw Steven’s gem.
But why just her and not Blue? Yellow Diamond doesn't have the self-control to take such a massive revelation (and to her, betrayal) with barely a raised eyebrow and instantly switch to "cover up" mode.

Sure, he'd have to be maintaining a ridiculously elaborate act... but it's come to light that Pink Diamond was maintaining an elaborate act for literally thousands of years.
Rose had a history of keeping secrets, something Steven's repeatedly rejected. He's also a terrible liar.

Most importantly, people besides Steven will only be able to go on his account of Pearl's memories.

edited 22nd Jun '18 8:41:04 PM by thatother1dude

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#55388: Jun 22nd 2018 at 8:44:07 PM

"Mom was Pink Diamond" is not a statement given by someone who is (apparently) alone with the only person alive who already knows this, unless confirmation of that fact was needed. Thus the core C Gs can trust that Steven is still Steven.

edited 22nd Jun '18 8:44:28 PM by RhymeBeat

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55389: Jun 22nd 2018 at 8:54:12 PM

My personal favorite theory is that Yellow Diamond figured out that Pink Diamond was Rose Quartz when she saw Steven’s gem.
Blue Diamond got a closer look at Steven than Yellow did though. She was holding Steven in her hand when he was showing his gem.

edited 22nd Jun '18 8:56:07 PM by xanderiskander

Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#55390: Jun 22nd 2018 at 9:36:16 PM

My theory (or at least, "could be interesting if") is that Yellow suspected Pink had turned against them, but never had the chance to figure out the whole story once Pink disappeared. She may have thought that Pink and Rose were secretly in cahoots until the latter betrayed and killed her. Blue, on the other hand, was adamant that their Pink would never do something like that.

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#55391: Jun 22nd 2018 at 10:07:16 PM

I'm of the idea that Jasper will continue to be a fanatical loyalist, while still being unable to tell the difference between Steven and Pink.

It'll take her a bit to realize how kinda shitty it was for Pink to do this to her loyal followers. But during the time she'll get to know and respect/care for the Crystal Gems.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#55392: Jun 23rd 2018 at 5:39:25 AM

Rose had a history of keeping secrets, something Steven's repeatedly rejected. He's also a terrible liar. Most importantly, people besides Steven will only be able to go on his account of Pearl's memories.

But how do they know that's not just an act, too? Or that him telling them about Pearl's memory isn't just some trick, just like the staging of Pink Diamond's death was a trick? I'm just saying, learning that one of your closest friends lied to you for thousands of years is something that could lead to severe, even irrational, trust issues.

By comparison, Pink Diamond pretending to be a human boy for forteen years would be small potatoes.

edited 23rd Jun '18 5:40:55 AM by DrDougsh

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55393: Jun 23rd 2018 at 6:25:02 AM

[up]I can't see that likely, at least with the Crystal Gems in general. Though if something like that were to happen, I wonder if that could be the impetus to release Bismuth, the one Gem who unequivocally sees Steven as separate from Rose.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#55394: Jun 23rd 2018 at 7:27:23 AM

Rose may have not been strong enough to reverse corruption (just strong enough to block it) perhaps because its one diamond having to overturn the effects of three diamonds.

This is where I think Steven's dream abilities will come into play. Since the gem body is a projection, there is something internally that's messing up their physical form. Steven will dream warp to remove the corruption internally so they can be cured.

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#55395: Jun 23rd 2018 at 8:16:27 AM

[up] As a believer of the "Corruption is a very dangerous Ear Worm that plays ad nauseam in the Corrupted Gems' heads" theory, Steven going into their heads, where he would most likely hear the brunt of it, worries me greatly.

And uh, on a different topic, this is a shirt Hot Topic has.

I feel like one day I'm gonna wake up and everyone's gonna be freaking out because Hot Topic suddenly put out a t-shirt with White Diamond's full design on it before she appeared in the show.

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#55396: Jun 23rd 2018 at 9:42:29 AM

Perhaps Yellow Diamond wants the Cluster to not just destroy the planet but to have something big enough to fight White Diamond. Maybe Yellow wants to wrestle command away from White whose absence has been very strange.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55397: Jun 23rd 2018 at 10:23:35 AM

learning that one of your closest friends lied to you for thousands of years is something that could lead to severe, even irrational, trust issues.
But them thinking Steven is Rose because of her dishonesty doesn't make sense as rational or irrational suspicion: Rationally, it boils down to circular logic. Irrationally, Steven's family and friends aren't going to distrust him based on instinct either.

By comparison, Pink Diamond pretending to be a human boy for forteen years would be small potatoes.
Experiences are more relevant to gems than literal time. And faking being Steven would be much harder because they knew Rose, but didn't know Pink Diamond.

Bismuth, the one Gem who unequivocally sees Steven as separate from Rose.
What? She was just barely considering Steven that telling the truth when she was being poofed.

edited 23rd Jun '18 10:24:25 AM by thatother1dude

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#55398: Jun 23rd 2018 at 10:27:25 AM

I point to this post again.

Basically the circumstances where this was revealed to the other C Gs aren't possible if this was still PD, who didn't need confirmation.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55399: Jun 23rd 2018 at 10:30:18 AM

[up][up]Most Gems outside the Crystal Gems have trouble grasping that Steven and Rose aren't the same person. Bismuth, however, got the idea fairly quickly, giving him a nice pep talk in the night. It's not until Steven accidentally mimicked Rose that Bismuth began thinking they were the same and the fight concluded with her telling Steven "You are better than her".

Even the core Crystal Gems had some difficulty grasping the concept and Steven has expressed doubt that they still don't see him as Rose at least a little.

edited 23rd Jun '18 10:30:53 AM by sgamer82

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#55400: Jun 23rd 2018 at 3:20:43 PM

As far as corruption goes, what if it's like cancer? The longer the corruption lasts, the greater the "metastization"?

Pink/Steven can't revert corruption on the captured corrupted gems because the cancer has spread too far.

Using that analogy, the corruption wave could even be considered a radiation burst, like from a nuke.

edited 23rd Jun '18 3:21:45 PM by HextarVigar

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