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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#55201: Jun 8th 2018 at 7:12:28 AM

Honestly, we only have piecemeal information about the castes - we certainly have general ideas as to what is ranked compared to everything else (Agates above both Pearls and various strains of quartz, the Diamonds over everyone, Sapphires being fairly high and Rubies being fairly low). But we don't know specifics (like, how do Rubies and Pearls compare?). Without a specific Homeworld Org Chart (which I don't think we'll ever get, because it's not really the point of the show), I don't think we'd honestly be able to tell too much.

But beyond that, Oxymoronic Being really describes something that somehow exists when it logically shouldn't. Gems from two radically different castes are just dealing with a social order and not a fundamental law of existence. Garnet is somewhat close to the idea, in that she's a combination of a gem with fire powers and a gem with ice powers, but even she doesn't fit because Ruby isn't always on fire, and Sapphire similarly isn't always encased in ice. I don't think Steven Universe has any examples of the trope.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#55202: Jun 8th 2018 at 7:50:42 AM

Yeah, when I think Oxymoronic Being, I think things like Miniature Giant Space Hamster.

<squeak>

edited 8th Jun '18 7:51:26 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#55203: Jun 8th 2018 at 8:16:28 AM

[up][up]I would think a Pearl was lower than a Ruby, since Eyeball seemed to think there was some chance in her owning one if she killed Steven.

Oissu!
Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#55204: Jun 8th 2018 at 8:41:22 AM

[up]After being given honorary status for bringing rose quartz to homeworld. I mean, cant you imagine? A ruby with a pearl? It would be an honor even for a Peridot.

But yeah, given that pearls are only possesions, their status probably is the same as the one who posses her.

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#55205: Jun 8th 2018 at 9:02:15 AM

The uploader has not made this video available in your country

Yeah, you can fuck right off with that, thanks CN.

edited 8th Jun '18 9:05:49 AM by HextarVigar

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#55206: Jun 8th 2018 at 9:13:30 AM

Eyeball probably wouldn't have been all that excited about owning a Pearl if it was at all normal for her to own one. Like [up][up] said, the fact that she imagines she'd be rewarded one for killing Homeworld's Public Enemy Nr.1 speaks to just how high-class it is.

It may be more accurate to say that an ownerless Pearl would be very low-caste — but such Pearls, much like the Off-colours, aren't even supposed to be in the ranks since they'd be belying their whole purpose.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#55207: Jun 8th 2018 at 9:20:06 AM

I think trying to figure out the specific castes kinds of defeats the purpose of the show. Regardless of the specifics, I think the show is very vigorously saying that castes aren't healthy for anyone and that the ideal would be that everyone would have freedom to be who and what they want to be.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#55208: Jun 8th 2018 at 9:22:46 AM

Sure, it's high class to own one, I wasn't saying a Ruby owning one was normal. I just don't think that means the Pearls themselves are high class. More like they're so low they're not considered people, just possessions, but they're above Off Colours because at least they are acknowledged to exist.

Oissu!
HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#55209: Jun 8th 2018 at 9:26:10 AM

Anyway, aren't the Diamonds outnumbered basically everyone to three? Even given how powerful they are, it'd still be a Zerg rush.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55210: Jun 8th 2018 at 9:55:40 AM

@Hextar: It’s CN UK channel—they only have the rights to broadcast in certain countries.

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#55211: Jun 8th 2018 at 10:04:15 AM

[up]If believe that if it's on Youtube, it should be accesable to everyone. CN's site has its own video player, doesn't it?

edited 8th Jun '18 11:27:37 AM by HextarVigar

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#55212: Jun 8th 2018 at 10:34:40 AM

Yep,which is not available in the UK (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!)

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Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#55213: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:15:16 PM

[up]x6 Eh, freedom's overrated.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#55214: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:20:53 PM

I'd say that a Diamond's Pearl probably ranks much higher than, say, a Sapphire's Pearl. Yellow Pearl doesn't seem to have any problems scolding and bossing around Peridot. Holly Blue Agate probably only thought she outranked Pearl because she thought our Pearl was a Sapphire's Pearl. The way I see it, Pearls occupy a rank of society one or two rungs below their masters, but only in regards to carrying out their orders to low-ranking gems so their masters don't waste their time with the riffraff.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#55215: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:14:55 AM

There're uploading full episodes for regularly

(UK only)

Nightmare hospital

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Sedorna Since: Apr, 2014
#55216: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:24:19 AM

[up][up] Yeah, but Holly Blue is a quartz, and sapphires outrank quartzes. So I don’t think that Holly Blue Agate ordered Pearl around because Holly Blue is higher ranking than Sapphire.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#55217: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:55:27 AM

What I mean is that while Sapphire might outrank Holly Blue Agate, Agate probably outranks a Sapphire's Pearl. You're probably not allowed to delegate your work to your Pearl if the Gem you're working with is at or close to your rank, it'd just be an offense to them. The fact that Agate is the supervisor in charge of the Human Zoo may also have inflated her rank some when dealing with visitors to the zoo.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55218: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:01:35 AM

Homeworld's caste system is hierarchical, but that doesn't mean every gem type has a different ranking beholden to every one above it. The stratification is function-based, and the disparity in freedom/respect/authority is a consequence, not a goal. There's clearly a "highest", so someone will be in charge, but there's no one "lowest" because that wouldn't serve much of a purpose.

Holly Blue Agate ordered Pearl around
Holly Blue actually seemed to avoid giving Pearl any direct orders. When Pearl didn't open the door, she asked Sapphire why. The way she kept saying "That will be all." has a strong undercurrent of "I could technically tell you to do more, but that would be rude to Sapphire."

She treated Pearl as a servant, but Sapphire's, not her own. Bossing around your superior's pearl is probably a Homeworld faux pas.

edited 9th Jun '18 8:40:35 AM by thatother1dude

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#55219: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:35:26 AM

really great fanart I just came across

The theory that goes with the picture is that "..the tears Steven cried while being near Blue Diamond was not her pathokinesis or Steven's empathetic powers, but Pink Diamond feeling grief inside Steven's subconscious"

It's interesting theory,and given that Steven previously had Diamond dreams..well it's possible some part Pink's memory does live on,although I'm inclined to believe anything resembling Pink's actual consciousness or memories was erased to make room for Steven

Though I'm now wondering about an alternative scenario where Steven is the one spotted by Blue Diamond instead of Greg

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#55221: Jun 14th 2018 at 6:40:25 AM

Well, except that Steven isn't the last to know everything, and he knows it. Insert Amethyst's WHAAAAAA?! here.

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#55222: Jun 14th 2018 at 7:41:17 AM

Amusingly the canon Rose Diamond (and TCC's version) of the same reveal are nothing exceptions to the general rule.

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AdvFinny Since: Apr, 2014
#55223: Jun 14th 2018 at 6:42:15 PM

Can someone please help me understand the hate Lapis gets from the fandom? People accuse Lapis of being a coward, but her fear and her running away makes sense to me. Although she's powerful, she and the other gems can't fight the diamonds and their army should they return to Earth. That's like fighting a war when the other side has a nuke. It's pointless and you'd do best to avoid it.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#55224: Jun 14th 2018 at 6:58:55 PM

Because people don't care about that and her development ended up making her a "mixed" character...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55225: Jun 14th 2018 at 7:18:03 PM

No character is going to be universally liked by everyone.


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