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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#55126: May 29th 2018 at 11:01:47 PM

[up][up] Don't forget Tiger Millionaire!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#55127: May 30th 2018 at 12:01:09 AM

Tiger Millionaire!

Yeah, Steven has a lot of cat going on

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Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#55128: May 30th 2018 at 1:28:09 AM

A pet for your tummy?

Steven's gem is in his tummy, Cookie Cat = Pink Diamond / Rose Quartz.

More parallels!

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#55129: May 30th 2018 at 7:25:44 AM

> And also. I sure hope we learn something about the temple at some point.

Originally (I think it might have been in the pilot,or in the artbook,I can't remember) the Crystal Temple was called the Crystal Palace,and now that we know Rose was Pink Diamond I think it's safe bet that the temple was originally Pink's residence while she was on Earth,and when the Crystal Gems took over it it's appearance was massively modified to remove any trace of it's original owner

Edit:I wonder if the appearance of the temple wasn't shaped by the heart,like a literal change of heart from Homeworld to Crystal Gems

edited 30th May '18 7:56:54 AM by Ultimatum

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#55130: May 30th 2018 at 7:59:40 AM

So they changed the statue from a big Pink Diamond to the Fusion of all of them? That'd be neat and sweet.

...Though now that I think about it, it most likely wasn't the case, as Amethyst was found way after the war and there's no way Rose, Garnet and Pearl would keep something like that for that long.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#55131: May 30th 2018 at 8:56:41 AM

If there was a giant Pink Diamond statue, I imagine Rose was the most enthusiastic about tearing it down.

She really didn't like her past self very much.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#55132: May 30th 2018 at 9:37:36 AM

It's about time we see how Amethyst was found by the Crystal Gems, especially since her connection with the Diamonds is as strong as Pearl's or Garnet's.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#55133: May 30th 2018 at 10:59:34 AM

There is a reason why Amethyst's backstory is probably coming after the major reveal,most likely because of how Rose found her and why Amethyst' joined them,as one of Pink's own Gems she was probably programmed to follow someone after emerging,and with Rose she was probably the first person Amethyst met after being alone for so long

Though I do wonder if Rose and co had to earn her trust the hard way or whether Amethyst willingly went with them because of a 'feeling' she had that she was meant to go with Rose not fully understanding why,just that she had to go with them

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55134: May 30th 2018 at 11:03:06 AM

In a way I could almost see the reveal making Amethyst love Rose more. Rose always encouraged her, told her she was good as she was, and loved her. The reveal means all of that came not just from a random gem she admired, but from her Diamond, the gem she was made to serve.

edited 30th May '18 11:03:38 AM by sgamer82

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55135: May 30th 2018 at 7:13:09 PM

@Ultimatum: I wouldn't assume that stuff about a gem's loyalty being inborn, but would like an idea of a gems' general knowledge when they're created.

Narrative, knowing why Pearl felt so ashamed about the Kindergarten, and that Rose probably felt similarly, showing them meeting Amethyst could be pretty meaningful.

And I think the "evidence" is being overstated. There are things that, in hindsight now fit well with this, but those things by themselves weren't strong evidence for it.
Most of it was just purely narrative foreshadowing, Cookie Cat and "We are literally walking in the footsteps of the diamonds!" being particularly silly examples. But there was some diegetic evidence too—moreso as we got closer to the reveal: Rose spoke of Earth as a foreign planet to Pearl and Greg, but Garnet and Bismuth say she was made on Earth. Rose hid what looks like the wreckage of a pink Homeworld ship. Pink Diamond turned out to be the exact same colors as Lars and Lion.

Like you've said before, all these things can be interpreted in a different way. Rose considered Homeworld her "home planet" regardless of where she was made (despite Amethyst and Jasper doing otherwise). Rose's junkyard wasn't a secret. Rose's power turned Lion and Lars the same color as Pink Diamond because she was Pink Diamond's gem.

None of those things had to be resolved, but an answer to this season's major mystery which explains them is worthy of consideration.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55136: May 30th 2018 at 8:12:57 PM

It's about time we see how Amethyst was found by the Crystal Gems, especially since her connection with the Diamonds is as strong as Pearl's or Garnet's.
They just found her at the kindergarten right? I don't see much to expand there. There might be something interesting that happened after they found her. Like her learning about the Crystal gems the way Steven did. She hasn't had her own flashback about what Rose meant to her yet either. But the finding part was likely just a whim to visit the place where they found her.

edited 30th May '18 8:20:29 PM by xanderiskander

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#55138: May 31st 2018 at 8:57:46 AM

[up][up]I mean, yeah but Amethyst is still a main character who hasn't really gotten much development or focus recently. She deserves to have an episode dedicated to her backstory. Pearl and Garnet get episodes about them all of the time (partly because they are more interesting characters, but still).

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#55139: May 31st 2018 at 9:00:05 AM

Her backstory has been revealed, more or less. And she had an entire arc of episodes focused on her that culminated in her being the first Gem to fuse with Steven. We just haven't had an outright flashback of her origin.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55140: May 31st 2018 at 9:04:05 AM

Yeah, she was in the Kindergarten alone for awhile, then they found her. There's never been anything super interesting implied there. They could make a story about why they in the Kindergarten in the first place, but you don't really need that to understand Amethyst's history.

[up][up] "More interesting" is highly subjective. You can't just throw that out as a reason we may get more with Pearl and Garnet, when the simplest answer is just that they're both more connected to what's been going on than Amethyst is.

edited 31st May '18 9:13:13 AM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55141: May 31st 2018 at 9:10:22 AM

She's gotten finishing closure on her arc too after meeting her family of Zookeepers. Actually, if anything, revisiting the Zoo would probably have more to expand on than focusing on her past.

Steven might pretty much have the authority to set all the Amethysts and Zoomans free at this point.

[up]Eh, it's not really that subjective that Garnet and Pearl have more meat to their stories than Amethyst does.

edited 31st May '18 9:13:50 AM by xanderiskander

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55142: May 31st 2018 at 9:13:49 AM

[up]That's not what I said. "Interesting" and "plot-relevant" are not synonymous.

edited 31st May '18 9:14:04 AM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55143: May 31st 2018 at 9:19:37 AM

Well, no, but you're going to naturally be more interested in characters that get more focus. I didn't say anything about it being about the main plot. Garnet and Pearl just get more episodes dedicated to them. They're a lot more fleshed out.

edited 31st May '18 9:21:03 AM by xanderiskander

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55144: May 31st 2018 at 9:20:13 AM

That's just a chicken and egg thing though.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55145: May 31st 2018 at 9:58:37 AM

@Count of Bleck: I’ve still yet to find a primary source that that’s something true for diamonds, but not quartz.

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#55146: May 31st 2018 at 10:08:04 AM

@55139 If it was a hard-and-fast rule that an audience member will have more interest on a character that gets the focus, we never would have had the Ensemble Dark Horse trope. Or, for that matter, the Creator's Pet trope (not that I think the latter applies here, mind you). A creator can hope that the audience will be more interested in the characters that you give greater focus to, but it's never a guarantee.

For possible focus on Amethyst... eh, I think one episode that focuses on her digesting the news would be alright, but I don't think we need much more than that. It's just like how we didn't need that much focus on her reaction to Bismuth - to some extent, this deals with things that she wasn't there for, so in some ways she just doesn't have as much stake in it all.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55147: May 31st 2018 at 10:10:55 AM

[up]Basically this. Amethyst's role has always been to give a different perspective from Garnet and Pearl because she's not a Homeworld Gem, and has never had experience with much of what has been going on. That there's an actual reason she wouldn't have as much involvement with this part of the story doesn't means she's inherently "less" interesting or that Pearl and Garnet are more involved with this because they're "more" interesting.

A person can certainly be more interested in things with Garnet and/or Pearl than with Amethyst, but that doesn't mean that's why things have happened the way they have.

edited 31st May '18 10:52:30 AM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55148: May 31st 2018 at 10:51:27 AM

[up] Hmm. Maybe the reason Amethyst seems less interesting to a lot of people then is because Steven already fills that role, and since he's the show's primary perspective, he overshadows her.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#55149: May 31st 2018 at 3:51:46 PM

I think the next possible phase for Amethyst's character is "Amethyst as leader/authority figure/mom". She's always kind of been a junior figure in the team, but now she's had time to grow and deal with her issues. Meanwhile, Pearl's had to deal with her shortcomings and her poor behavior towards others, and Garnet's having her world turned upside down.

Amethyst did pretty well helping Peridot adjust to life on Earth, and she's less abrasive than she was at the beginning of the show. If, say, Jasper comes back, or the Famethysts, Amethyst would be good at helping them find their footing. If Garnet and Pearl are having personal crises over the thousand year lie, Amethyst is capable of pulling it together (probably with some help from Steven).

Sedorna Since: Apr, 2014
#55150: May 31st 2018 at 4:55:12 PM

[up] We’ve even seen Amethyst showing her ability to hold it together in a crisis. During So Many Birthdays, when Garnet was “I thought violence would be the answer” and Pearl was a blubbering mess, Amethyst was the most rational, proactive one.


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