Regardless if it makes that specific plot twist more obvious, it's almost comically redundant. Especially given how often they're just called "Rose" or "Pink".
I'm guessing it might be a case of them assuming "Rose" was her first name, unlike the other Gems whose names are obviously Gem types.
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.edited 27th May '18 8:12:54 PM by thatother1dude
Amethyst is Amatista and Pearl is Perla,plus Jasper is Jaspe (Pronounced Has Peh!), Oh and the Diamonds are all translated.
As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.I'm latin american but I don't actually follow the dub, but I do follow a bunch of LA fans and discussions ocationally, so the lexicon I'm exposed to is a mess of dub names and translated names.
AegisP is correct.
The jump is still really easy to make what with Rose's flower motive and Pink's name being translated in the dub.
You know, I don't really understand why the dub translates most gems except when it decides it won't.
I can get Rose being a name, so they leave it untranslated, but why are Pearl and Amethyst translated while Garnet isn't, but her component gems are?
Goddamn dubs, man. I'll never understand you.
edited 27th May '18 9:20:40 PM by MrSeyker
I'm wondering how the Diamonds would have reacted if they had somehow discovered Pink's ruse. Like, what if Sapphire's prediction had gone off without a hitch?
Would they have shattered her as she feared they would (see "Rose's Scabbard")? Or would they have basically sent her to her room or something?
An animatic I found that shows how I think it would have gone down:
Someone pointed out the Spanish version of the show's wikia
is quite developed, and provides both the LA and Spain for most characters (and some terms). So, for the hell of it...
- Steven Quartz Universe -> Steven Cuarzo Universe
- Garnet -> unchanged (LA), Granate (Spain)
- Amethyst -> Amatista
- Pearl -> Perla
- Rose Quartz -> Rose Cuarzo (LA), Cuarzo Rosa (Spain; sometimes Rosa Cuarzo)
- Lapis Lazuli -> Lapislázuli
- Peridot -> unchanged (LA), Peridoto (Spain)
- Bismuth -> Bismuto
- Ruby -> Rubí
- Sapphire -> Zafiro
- Lion -> León
- Pumpkin -> Calabaza (sometime unchanged in LA)
- Fryman -> unchanged (LA), Fritangas (Spain; apparently doesn't apply to his sons)
- Onion -> Cebolla (LA), Cebollo (Spain)
- Sour Cream -> Crema Agria (LA), Nata Agria (Spain)
- Yellowtail -> unchanged (LA), Merluzo
- Harold Smiley -> Harold Sonrisas (LA), Harold Risas (Spain)
- Wy-Six -> Wy-Seis (LA), Y-Seis (Spain)
- Jay-Ten -> Jay-Diez (LA), Jota-Diez (Spain)
- Centipeetle Mother/Centi -> Madre Ciempiés/Ciempi
- Jasper -> Jaspe
- Yellow/Blue/Pink Diamond -> Diamante Amarillo/Azul/Rosa (sometimes Rosado in LA); same pattern for Blue Pearl and Yellow Pearl
- Eyeball -> Ojito (LA), Ojo (Spain)
- Army -> Brazitos (LA), Brazos (Spain)
- Navy -> Pancita (LA), Ombligo (Spain)
- Leggy -> Piernitas (LA), Pierna (Spain)
- Doc -> unchanged
- Holly Blue Agate -> Ágata Azul
- Carnelian -> Cornalina
- Skinny -> Flacucha (LA), Tirillas (Spain)
- Aquamarine -> Aguamarina
- Topaz -> Topacio
- Zircon -> Circón
- Rutile Twin -> Gemelas Rutilo
- Rhodonite -> Rodonita
- Padparadscha -> unchanged
- Fluorite -> Fluorita
- Opal -> Ópalo
- Sugilite -> Sugalite (LA), Sugilita (Spain)
- Alexandrite -> Alejandrita
- Stevonnie -> unchanged
- Malachite -> unchanged (LA), Malaquita (Spain)
- Rainbow Quartz -> Cuarzo Arcoíris
- Sardonyx -> unchanged (LA), Sardónice (Spain)
- Smoky Quartz -> Smoky Cuarzo (LA), Cuarzo Ahumado (Spain)
- Crystal Gems -> Gemas de Cristal
- Beach City -> Ciudad Playa (LA), unchanged (Spain)
- (Gem) Homeworld -> Planeta Madre (LA), Planeta Natal (Spain)
- Kindergarten -> Guardería
- Limb Enhancers -> Prótesis robóticas (LA), Extra-Extremidades (Spain)
- Off Colors -> Descoloridas
- Cluster gems -> Monstruos Gema (The Cluster itself is more directly translated)
Basically, the names of gems (and irregular human names) are translated a slight majority of the time in LA. In Spain, they almost always are, but some of these translations seems questionable even to a pure Anglophone using machine translation (seriously, why does Yellowtail's name in Spain mean "idiot"?)
edited 28th May '18 7:14:45 AM by thatother1dude
Yeah, it's not a matter of keeping name length to match mouth movement. Some names are a bit more of a mouthful, others significantly shorter.
I appreciate the post, I wasn't aware of all of the name changes (again, I've only watched the LA dub ocationally). I can't make head and tails from it.
Some of the spanish names are kinda way off from the original meaning in english, LA tends to get closer, but then again, sometimes they don't even bother despite having words that can be used.
I’m just gonna spit out the following
1. All things considered, Pink Diamond’s actions, while not entirely ideal, still ultimately brought about a great deal of good things, things that probably wouldn’t have been able to come about otherwise. She whined and moaned about wanting a colony of her own and because of that, she was able to begin realizing that there was more to existence than just the narrow dogmatic view of her fellow Diamonds. Her rebellion ultimately allowed numerous gems the chance to finally think for themselves and decide what they wanted to do with their lives, thus freeing from them an eternity of mindless servitude, which as some would agree, is no life at all. Faking her death might not have been the best idea but, all things considered, what other options did she have? She likely tried to convince her fellow diamonds to leave the Earth in peace, but that didn’t work, she apparently tried to appeal to their sense of logic and rationality by making the colonization of the Earth seem like it was more trouble than it was worth, but that didn’t work. From where she likely stood, Blue Diamond was correct; as long as she was on Earth as Pink Diamond, then Homeworld would never leave the Earth be. She probably just didn’t fully understand just how much the other diamonds truly cared for her and when you think about it, the chances were equally good that the corruption blast was just the Diamonds trying to save face after the war. All Pink wanted to do was try to help the Earth, but everything just became far more complicated than she initially believed them to be.
2. Since the Famethysts and Amethyst are all from earth then doesn’t that mean that technically Steven has a whole army left behind for him?
3. If that is the case then maybe that is a specific minor factor in why Rose Quartz took in Amethyst. Perhaps she felt particularly responsible for what Amethyst was currently being forced to deal with: it was because of her that Amethyst was even made in the first place and it was because of her rebellion that Amethyst never had the chance to turn into what she was meant to become, and why she had no real purpose prior to meeting the Crystal Gems
Pink had good intentions. She really wanted to save Earth and its life and she really wanted to give the Crystal Gems the new life she promised them. But she really didn't think things through and she was a tad insensitve when it came to the feelings of others. These were traits that would persist even when she tried to reinvent herself as Rose Quartz.
Disgusted, but not surprisedPost-reveal, I'm a bit stumped as to why Pearl was so obsessively in love with Rose. Not because it makes her out to be necessarily worse or better, but because it paints Rose as possessing qualities like impulsiveness, self-indulgence and short-sightedness, things that Pearl doesn't tend to like in other people.
I mean, you could argue that Pearl's reasons for loving Rose have never been all that well-developed. Pearl's trauma from losing Rose and her inability to move on have been very well-explored and have made Pearl one of the show's most complex characters — but Pearl's reasons for falling for Rose in the first place... kind of haven't.
(And it turns "Merluzo" is a sort of pun on "merluza", which is a type of fish. Not quite gibberish, but still not entirely appropriate.)
Of course, I say Pink "could" do this, but she wasn't going to. Blue and Yellow basically browbeated her into submission—she wouldn't even say a word in objection to Blue's lecture.
Pink's biggest problem was she was willing to take all kinds of drastic measure behind her family's back, but none in front of them. She's a lot like Connie, is what I'm saying.
edited 28th May '18 10:30:52 AM by thatother1dude
Does that mean Steven is in a Like Parent, Like Spouse scenario?
