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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#55001: May 24th 2018 at 1:51:03 PM

We know Gems can get injured, like how Amethyst cracked her gem. It's possible White Diamond got injured in a similar fashion. Well, I mean she could have had her gem become cracked somehow, not implying she was horsing around and fell off a cliff. This seems unlikely, because I'd imagine Homeworld has the ability to heal cracks in gems, even though the only healing we know for certain has been done on the show were from Rose's tears, Steven's spit or Rose's fountain.

edited 24th May '18 1:51:41 PM by WillKeaton

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#55002: May 24th 2018 at 1:59:01 PM

I bet Pink's court was more oriented towards healing. After all, Pink is able to heak and revive people

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#55003: May 24th 2018 at 2:13:40 PM

> I just figure she was/is busy with other things.

This is basically what I think too,Earth on the whole probably doesn't concern her too much anymore since it's just one planet in their huge empire,and cluster means it's going to be destroyed anyway

With Blue and Yellow it's personal because Pink was effectively their kid and she died there,it wouldn't surprise me if White was'nt close to Pink like Blue and Yellow were as she was busy managing their empire and Pink was simply this upstart Blue and Yellow were responsible for

edited 24th May '18 5:06:49 PM by Ultimatum

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#55004: May 24th 2018 at 2:16:30 PM

[up][up] Based on eyeball recognizing “Rose’s” healing power, there’s no other gem with this capability, though we did see Peridot’s robonoids repair the Homeworld warp, and her expectation that Steven’s power would work on the pad suggests it would work on a gem as well.

edited 24th May '18 2:16:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#55005: May 24th 2018 at 5:09:19 PM

[up]Pink didn't even mention White when she was talking to Pearl about faking the shattering. At the very least it indicates that she wasn't thinking about her at all, which would yes imply they weren't very close. I suspect Pink might have never even met her.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55006: May 24th 2018 at 5:21:40 PM

Question: It's pretty much assumed now that White Diamond isn't just a fusion between Blue and Yellow, but is there a specific reason why?

I know "Your Mom and Mine" shows her as a distinct entity to Blue and Yellow, but is there anything else? Because both there and the Diamond Authority symbols seem to regularly place White between Blue and Yellow, which has potential to be significant.

edited 24th May '18 5:22:03 PM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55007: May 24th 2018 at 5:25:03 PM

I've never interpreted that as White being "between" Blue and Yellow. it always seemed like she was above them, the same way that Pink was "bellow" them.

And showing White as a separate entity just straight up makes no sense if she isn't. Well, unless as a pointless misdirection for its own sake.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55008: May 24th 2018 at 5:28:06 PM

So an extra hand is pretty much the main thing to go on? Because otherwise White as a fusion would be the most occam friendly explanation, to me, in that it requires the fewest guesses barring enough evidence against it.

There's no reason to mention White is she doesn't exist outside of fusion, for example. It would explain placement above/between the other Diamonds as well. But I haven't invested much in White Diamond either way so I'm not sure how much is just assumption (hence the question)

edited 24th May '18 5:29:17 PM by sgamer82

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#55009: May 24th 2018 at 5:30:35 PM

The mural shows her gem placement is her forehead. That doesn't make sense if she's a fusion of Blue and Yellow.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55010: May 24th 2018 at 5:31:27 PM

Did it show Pink's and the others' in the right spot?

Checks: Yes it did.

edited 24th May '18 5:31:55 PM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55011: May 24th 2018 at 5:32:41 PM

Going "White is a fusion" always seemed like it relied on a lot more assumptions to me, honestly.

Like, that a fusion of Yellow and Blue (but only Yellow and Blue) gets a mural depicting her with all of the colonies that she apparently rules, independently of Yellow and Blue?

Or that they would put a fusion of Yellow and Blue in their insignia in the first place, but not any fusion that should have existed with Pink?

Sure, you could explain these things away, but those explanations would also be assumptions. Where as "We know Yellow, Blue, and Pink are individuals so White most likely is too" and "White was depicted as separate from Yellow and Blue, so she is." seem very straightforward.

edited 24th May '18 5:41:51 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55012: May 24th 2018 at 5:34:08 PM

Yeah. That combined with the Gem placement issue is leaving me inclined to agree.

I was just seeing everyone apparently taking it as fact and wanting to double check that a bit since we actually don't know anything about White Diamond.

edited 24th May '18 5:34:53 PM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55013: May 24th 2018 at 5:38:21 PM

I'll also note that it wasn't just the hand, a stylized silhouette of White was also depicted along with Blue and Yellow when Garnet was narrating things.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#55014: May 24th 2018 at 5:40:54 PM

I'm currently on the "Pearl was given to Pink by White" train, if only because I'm desperate for White to be mentioned in some way.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55015: May 24th 2018 at 6:13:25 PM

One thing that's interesting to think about is how this reveal affects fusion. Like, well Steven's fusions suddenly have a crisis of identity now, since one of their components isn't what they thought it was?
Only if Steven himself is, and if it got that bad, I'd think he'd be too distracted to fuse. Like how we're unlikely to see Sardonyx any time soon, even though Garnet/Sapphire's definitely more mad at Rose than Pearl.

but her being out of the picture solely out of disinterest doesn't sit that well with me either
Makes enough sense to me, especially with the revelation that Pink Diamond's "call" for help was more like Yellow and Blue butting in against Pink's wishes. There's even a chance White stayed out because she respected Pink more.

Though I do hope there's something unusual about White that sets her apart from the other diamonds.

I believe Pearl said they don't grow old, but can still get hurt and die.
Steven: Does that mean you'll live forever?!
Pearl: No, no. We don't age, but we can still get hurt and die.
- "So Many Birthdays"
If age (or age-dependent factors) can weaken or kill a gem, it must take so long as to basically be unknown.
Based on eyeball recognizing "Rose's" healing power, there's no other gem with this capability,
Other methods of repair may exist, but take a lot more time or resources. Even in real life, there are methods to repair cracks in gemstones, or at least keep them from spreading.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#55016: May 24th 2018 at 6:15:38 PM

I think waiting for this reveal is probably why we haven't seen Steven fuse with Pearl or Garnet yet. Their fusions with Steven will probably be based around the Pink Diamond issue where it was irrelevant for Stevonnie and less of an issue for Amethyst/Smoky Quartz.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55017: May 24th 2018 at 6:22:34 PM

I don't see how it (directly) affects Steven's relationship with Garnet, but Pearl showing Steven her biggest secret definitely takes away a lot of the space between them.

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#55018: May 24th 2018 at 6:24:11 PM

[up][up][up]I think there's probably going to be something about her that's different, but I'm not entirely sure what beyond the fact that she's presumably huge. It does make me curious about what kind of design they're going to give her as well.

edited 24th May '18 6:28:04 PM by Draghinazzo

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55019: May 24th 2018 at 6:56:07 PM

It does make me curious about what kind of design they're going to give her as well.
Between the moon mural, and the two silhouettes in "Your Mother and Mine", there's basically two consistent design elements: her gem placement, and her starfish/Super Saiyan-looking hair. The huge statue (or whatever) also has the hair.

edited 24th May '18 6:58:40 PM by thatother1dude

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#55020: May 24th 2018 at 7:33:16 PM

Wasn't Pearl revealed to be given to Pink Diamond in the artbook to replace her old one? Something like homeworld dispatched her a more effective pearl or something?

edited 24th May '18 7:33:32 PM by lycropath

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55021: May 24th 2018 at 7:38:51 PM

Wasn't Pearl revealed to be given to Pink Diamond in the artbook to replace her old one?
No. You're probably thinking of an oblique photo of a series timeline, from which one can barely make out something (written in teal) about how "a new sensible(?) [covered by a post-it note] is custom (made?) & delivered to Pink".

edited 24th May '18 7:46:12 PM by thatother1dude

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#55022: May 24th 2018 at 8:17:21 PM

Yellow, Blue, and Pink are pretty easily understood people that happen to have enormous (political and personal) power, which was completely necessary for the pseudo-family drama that turned out to be Rose's backstory. Since White was apparently not part of that, I'm hoping she'll turn out to be really inscrutable and creepy in some way.

The montage in "Your Mother and Mine" plus her mural suggest White Diamond directly ruled colonies back then, but this is a new era. Maybe she did turn herself into some kind of far-out machine ruler—that statue is really suspicious.

Though I'm imagining less a treatment for some injury/illness than an elective process to become a better ruler.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55023: May 24th 2018 at 8:26:21 PM

A lot of people have gone "Why did Rose/Pink think this was a good idea", but I think the entire purpose of this clip was to tell us why she came up with the idea. Blue flat out says "As long as you are there to rule, this colony will be completed."

Side-note, Blue's voice actresses' Irish accent is really noticeable here.

Edit: Video fixed.

edited 24th May '18 8:32:07 PM by LSBK

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#55024: May 24th 2018 at 8:27:51 PM

[up] Youtube embed seems to be broken.

And yeah, I agree that Blue's words combined with Blue and Yellow's refusal to listen to her or allow her to leave convinced Pink that a) faking her death would save Earth and b) Blue and Yellow wouldn't care anyway.

edited 24th May '18 8:29:18 PM by M84

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#55025: May 24th 2018 at 10:46:09 PM

Also, Rebecca Sugar said The Answer was supposed to be a tribute to Lotte Reiniger...but that episode with Lapis and the Diamonds dream was a much more fitting tribute. Everyone in Sillhoutte .

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