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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54976: May 23rd 2018 at 7:10:18 PM

That's not the whole truth though. Rose also didn't want them to see her that way because she didn't want to be seen as nobility. She wanted to be a common gem. So it wasn't just that it would put her in a negative light if she trusted anyone with that knowledge. Depending on the person's perspective it'd put her on an even bigger pedestal too.

edited 23rd May '18 7:12:36 PM by xanderiskander

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54977: May 23rd 2018 at 7:43:45 PM

It must still sting to learn that one of your oldest friends, someone who you put so much faith and trust, someone who you credit for you being you...lied to you all this time about who she was.

We the audience know why Rose did it, so it's easier for us to sympathize somewhat with her decision.

It's a recurring theme that Rose's actions had a lot of unintended bad consequences for the people around her because she was Innocently Insensitive. Despite having good intentions. She was a perpetually immature person who wanted so badly to be more mature and tried to "fake it till you make it", with limited success.

It's perhaps a more serious and dramatic version of what Amethyst and Steven did when they tried to change themselves. Amethyst's body-image issues and Steven's angst about not aging like Connie.

edited 23rd May '18 7:48:15 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54978: May 23rd 2018 at 7:49:42 PM

Hell, go back to her first words to Garnet:

Rose: Who cares about how I feel? How you feel is bound to be much more interesting.
I vaguely remember that line being discussed on the podcast, and how it's actually baldly selfish on Rose's part.

edited 23rd May '18 7:50:43 PM by thatother1dude

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#54979: May 23rd 2018 at 8:43:30 PM

It makes me think that there are going to be tons of AU fan scenarios where Pink Diamond reveals her true form in private to the Gems, but keeps her public persona of Rose Quartz at the same time until Homeworld retreats.

I actually would be interested to see how her interactions with Greg would be in her natural Pink Diamond form.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54980: May 23rd 2018 at 8:46:29 PM

The insinuation in Answers was that at the time the rebellion was just Rose and Pearl

Which amuses me because it's just the leader of the colony and her butler going out in disguise and trolling her sister

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54981: May 23rd 2018 at 8:57:43 PM

Eh, Greg's always been into really tall women. Heck, if he was currently looking for someone new, he probably would have been attracted to Blue Diamond.

Like I said before, replacing Rose with Pink Diamond in all of the flashback scenes is pretty funny. Especially the image of Pink Diamond wearing a Mr. Universe shirt.

edited 23rd May '18 8:59:25 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54982: May 24th 2018 at 4:49:46 AM

That picture is so much more natural for me though. Pink is a young, impressionable gem. The t-shirt just fits her.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#54983: May 24th 2018 at 4:54:20 AM

I vaguely remember that line being discussed on the podcast, and how it's actually baldly selfish on Rose's part.

And how is that?

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#54984: May 24th 2018 at 6:43:50 AM

I think it's the "No more questions" but. Though I doubt Rose intended for Garnet to take that literally.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#54985: May 24th 2018 at 7:03:53 AM

It's more that putting the spotlight on someone else because you're interested in them is selfish, in an odd roundabout way.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#54986: May 24th 2018 at 7:05:37 AM

Especially if they don't want the attention and they're suddenly they have everyone's attention

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edited 24th May '18 8:57:54 AM by Ultimatum

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#54987: May 24th 2018 at 9:13:43 AM

[up][up][up]There are theories that Rose either intentionally or unintentionally geassed Garnet into being unable to ask questions with how she moved Garnet's arms the same way she did Pearl's when issuing her order. Though that would imply the geass isn't a Pearl thing but a Diamond thing whereupon they can force gems to obey.

edited 24th May '18 9:13:50 AM by PhiSat

Oissu!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54988: May 24th 2018 at 9:15:43 AM

Hasn't there been Word of God confirmation that Garnet simply swore not to question Rose?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54989: May 24th 2018 at 9:16:41 AM

Rose was only able to Geas Pearl because Pearl was created to serve her like other Pearls.

Heck, Garnet's component Gems aren't even members of Pink Diamond's court. They were Blue Diamond's.

edited 24th May '18 9:17:19 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54990: May 24th 2018 at 9:38:11 AM

I was saying the same thing about Rose accidentally making it so Garnet can't ask question, ever, but someone said that there was an interview where someone said that Garnet swore to Rose tat she wouldn't ask questions. If this is the case I expect it will be brought up in the episode dealing with Ruby and Sapphire split up.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54991: May 24th 2018 at 11:22:10 AM

So breaking down the White Diamond speculation. I think we can be fairly certain at this point that she's not just a fusion; that just flat out doesn't make any sense given what we know about fusion, but her being out of the picture solely out of disinterest doesn't sit that well with me either; it's gotten very conspicuous how the show has barely even acknowledged her existence, and while that might simply be for the sake of building hype, I prefer to assume in-universe explanations when possible. One other possibility which intrigued me is that White is a Dark Lord on Life Support along the lines of The Authority in His Dark Materials or The God Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40000. While the presence of her hand in Garnet's flashback suggests otherwise, we could get around that if it's a hand ship, for example.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#54992: May 24th 2018 at 11:28:44 AM

Maybe she's old and on life support and that's why Pink was made in the first place.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54993: May 24th 2018 at 11:29:43 AM

One thing that's interesting to think about is how this reveal affects fusion. Like, well Steven's fusions suddenly have a crisis of identity now, since one of their components isn't what they thought it was?

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#54994: May 24th 2018 at 11:45:42 AM

Maybe White Diamond has been busy dealing with a problem of her own and never bother to check on the other diamonds?

I don't know, her silhouette alone gives me Ragyo Kiryuin vibes for some reason.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#54995: May 24th 2018 at 12:41:54 PM

[up][up][up][up]Garnet's flashback was a long time ago. Assuming that the theory is true, White Diamond might have been in better health back then.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54996: May 24th 2018 at 12:43:54 PM

That poses the question of how would/could a gem's health degrade, let alone a Diamonds.

edited 24th May '18 12:44:05 PM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54997: May 24th 2018 at 12:58:43 PM

I think there was Word of God gems don't live forever right? If White Diamond is the oldest gem she could simply be frail due to old age, Or maybe she's died from natural causes, and they're hiding it for some reason.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54998: May 24th 2018 at 1:47:27 PM

[up] I don’t remember anything like that.

[up][up] One version I heard is that the corruption backfired because of Pink’s shield and incapacitated her.

edited 24th May '18 1:48:17 PM by CaptainCapsase

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#54999: May 24th 2018 at 1:49:41 PM

I just figure she was/is busy with other things. She might be a more hands-on ruler than Blue or Yellow, or be dealing with conquest elsewhere at the time being.

Oissu!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55000: May 24th 2018 at 1:50:31 PM

I believe Pearl said they don't grow old, but can still get hurt and die. Which makes me think that Gems are The Ageless or biologically immortal but don't have Complete Immortality. They won't die if they aren't killed, but things can still kill them, even if they are much harder to kill than organic beings.


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