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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54951: May 22nd 2018 at 9:24:29 PM

I wish Steven took a picture of (Pearl's mental projection of) Pink Diamond, because that would be a great setup to a gag where someone looks at it, then a current picture of Lars (or Lars himself), then keeps wordlessly looking between the two repeatedly.

edited 22nd May '18 9:25:07 PM by thatother1dude

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#54952: May 23rd 2018 at 3:53:01 AM

I've been assuming that half of Steven's mass is biomass fleshy bits while the other half is Hard Light projected by his gem, and that goes down to the molecular level. Like, some parts of his cells are biomass and some parts of them are Hard Light.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#54953: May 23rd 2018 at 7:15:55 AM

That's what I assumed too.

Which is why I don't feel like the results of his gem being removed would be pretty.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54954: May 23rd 2018 at 1:07:43 PM

Just realised that Pearl in addition to Pink would have had to use another form,otherwise Pink's Pearl fighting alongside the leader of Crystal Gems would have immediately blown her cover,or forced Pink to quickly replace her Pearl in order to keep up ruse,though I am wondering if that thing about Pink getting a replacement Pearl who was sensible was'nt related somehow

Though her forehead Gem would still be a dead give away to anyone paying attention

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54955: May 23rd 2018 at 1:11:34 PM

They could just say that Pearl broke away from her owner to join the Crystal Gems. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what everyone thought she was, who she was owned by ultimately wouldn't matter.

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Planeswalker
#54956: May 23rd 2018 at 2:00:50 PM

Pearl only has a slightly different dress in Garnet's flashback and is still recognizable as herself. Though I guess this could be explained as Steven's imagination.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#54957: May 23rd 2018 at 2:02:56 PM

Homeworld doesn't seem to know that Pearl is Pink Diamond's Pearl. During the trial, Zircon brings up the fact that PD's Pearl didn't warn her, suggesting that Pink Pearl being a traitor is not something they take for granted.

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#54958: May 23rd 2018 at 3:04:10 PM

The thing with Pearl is that, unlike Yellow and Blue Pearl, she doesn't have the same colour as her Diamond.

That could mean that she wasn't originally made for Pink.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#54959: May 23rd 2018 at 3:05:57 PM

Most other gems like Holly Blue Agate and Peridot don't recognize Pearl as being special beyond being a fancier model, so there are probably a lot of pearls that are more in line with her design then Yellow and Blue Pearl.

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#54960: May 23rd 2018 at 3:10:55 PM

I would think the Diamonds' Pearls would be pretty unique looking. Peridot had no way of knowing what Pink's Pearl looked like though since she was made after the war and I don't think Holly Blue is the type to pay attention to anything she deems below her notice. It's worth noting the Diamonds and their Pearls did not see our Pearl.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54961: May 23rd 2018 at 3:12:07 PM

It's worth noting the Diamonds and their Pearls did not see our Pearl.
You mean besides when Rose and Pearl jumped right in front of Blue Diamond? Or are you just talking about in the present?

edited 23rd May '18 3:13:47 PM by thatother1dude

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#54962: May 23rd 2018 at 3:13:25 PM

In the present, on Pink's zoo.

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#54963: May 23rd 2018 at 3:14:18 PM

The thing with Pearl is that, unlike Yellow and Blue Pearl, she doesn't have the same colour as her Diamond.

That could mean that she wasn't originally made for Pink.

That actually reminds me. It was a common theory before that CG Pearl was a gift from White Diamond to Pink (something I don't necessarily believe anymore, it's beside the point), but it's interesting to note that in the flashback inside Pearl's mind in "A Singe Pale Rose", Pink only mentions Yellow and Blue. You can obviously say that's because they want to keep avoiding any mention of White Diamond directly until their eventual reveal, but to me it also indicates that Pink might have never even met them. Makes me curious as to what White's relationship with Blue and Yellow is, if they even have one.

edited 23rd May '18 3:15:25 PM by Draghinazzo

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#54964: May 23rd 2018 at 3:16:10 PM

Do you think "Rose Quartz is Pink Diamond" will become common knowledge like "Snape Kills Dumbledore"?

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#54965: May 23rd 2018 at 3:17:26 PM

Yes. These twists always become common knowledge. Snape kills Dumbledore, Kylo Ren kills Han Solo, the killer from Sleepaway Camp is a transphobic stereotype, etc.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54966: May 23rd 2018 at 3:17:32 PM

In the present, on Pink's zoo.
We don't know about Yellow, but if Blue Diamond and Blue Pearl didn't recognize her back then, they're not going to now.

Though that was probably why the writers had Pearl kind of randomly get left a room back.

You can obviously say that's because they want to keep avoiding any mention of White Diamond directly until their eventual reveal
Well, no, because we saw White Diamond anyway during the corruption wave. Garnet didn't mention White Diamond because she didn't involve herself in the rebellion.

edited 23rd May '18 3:17:51 PM by thatother1dude

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#54967: May 23rd 2018 at 3:54:06 PM

i think it's entirely possible Pearl was'nt a gift as much as Pink saw potential in her and took Pearl over the Pearls with matching placement,the reason Blue and Yellow never recognised her at the zoo is that they picked out a Pearl for her not caring about the one she actually had so they might recognise the one they gave her but not the one she actually chose for herself

As for the Pearl they chose?Bubbled away in the chest is my most likely guess

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#54968: May 23rd 2018 at 4:12:49 PM

So far we have seen three/four-ish Pearls.

edited 23rd May '18 4:21:00 PM by fasoman1996

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54969: May 23rd 2018 at 5:36:04 PM

This marks the second time Garnet has split up because of something Pearl did.

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#54970: May 23rd 2018 at 6:30:21 PM

Dammit Pearl

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#54971: May 23rd 2018 at 6:33:12 PM

I get the impression Garnet is way more mad at Rose though.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54972: May 23rd 2018 at 6:35:27 PM

I said I could go through what every character (who'd heard of Rose/Pink Diamond) would think individually about Rose being Pink Diamond. Now I've done that.

  • Garnet: The preview already showed her literally broken up, because she knew and looked up to Rose since she was first formed. I'm curious why Sapphire is more upset than Ruby.
  • Amethyst: Really surprised, but not alienated too badly because the diamonds weren't much anyone to her. It might make Amethyst question the sincerity/accuracy of Rose's teachings, but now she'll also know why Rose and Pearl were really so ashamed of Earth's Kindergarten.
  • Greg: He'd probably take it well. Greg respected Rose keeping her past a secret, and seemingly did it himself to a lesser degree.
  • Connie: I'd imagine her comically surprised, but otherwise more concerned with how it's effecting Steven.
  • Lars and the Off Colors: Disappointed Garnet's story was pretty much BS, but they just heard it, so I don't think it'll be that big a deal.
  • Peridot: Not so much interested in Rose as freaked out that the kid she's insulted a bunch of times is a diamond. But I expect her to get over that relatively fast, just like the concept of a gem/human hybrid was something she just kind of accepted.
  • Lapis: I don't see this changing her personal view of Steven, just the danger of staying on Earth. This means Steven's dreams weren't a sign of an invasion, but it makes the situation with Homeworld that much more complicated, and Lapis might take it as another reason the Diamonds would mess with Earth even if they still thought the Cluster was incubating.
  • Jasper (and Homeworld gems in general): I have no idea, besides a chance of denial even in the face of irrefutable evidence. Jeez, now I really want Jasper uncorrupted, just to see her reaction.
  • Blue Diamond: As mentioned, it's a really wide range of possibilities from taking back all her grief over Pink, to basically wanting to kidnap Steven, to contributing to flipping sides.
  • Yellow Diamond: I see little chance of improvement. She'll probably try to kill Steven/Rose/Pink with little hesitation and only let her positive feelings for Pink apply to before the Earth "corrupted" her.
  • Bismuth: She'd certainly be pissed, but I'm not sure how much difference it'll make when she grown to hate Rose so much. The only question is if it'll affect her ability to see Steven as separate from her.
  • Lion: Not really one to react to things, but I'd be amused if he went back to the junkpile in the desert and used his roar to blow away everything and expose the ship, basically saying "Yeah, I knew already, Pearl."

edited 23rd May '18 6:37:40 PM by thatother1dude

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54973: May 23rd 2018 at 6:52:43 PM

This marks the second time Garnet has split up because of something Pearl did
I can't imagine Amethyst or Steven doing something that would make Garnet split.

edited 23rd May '18 6:54:11 PM by xanderiskander

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54974: May 23rd 2018 at 7:00:33 PM

It's got to be a double punch for Garnet since, as her story about her backstory to Steven shows, when she joined the Gems she really looked up to Pearl in addition to Rose. The Pearl who broke free and didn't have an owner was a big thing for her, and given the similarities to her own (or her counterparts' own) casting off of caste and role, that had to have been a big influence on her.

While Garnet doesn't explicitly credit Rose and Pearl's inspiration for her growing into the person she is today, the implication is certainly there. And even though Garnet is now effectively Pearl's boss and has had millennia of knowing Pearl's personal foibles and hitchups (including a rather major disappointment somewhat recently, with Sardonyx), finding out that both Rose and Pearl lied about the exact things that drew Garnet to believe in them (and subsequently herself) is probably a bigger whammy for than it would be for anyone - except maybe Jasper. Even Bismuth believed more in the cause than she did Rose herself.

No wonder her reaction is to effectively shut down.

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#54975: May 23rd 2018 at 7:06:18 PM

Garnet (and by extension Ruby and Sapphire) was really invested in the narrative of Rose Quartz and the "terrifying renegade" Pearl who didn't belong to anyone rebelling against the "evil and cowardly" Pink Diamond. She's definitely going to be crushed by the realization that it was fabricated.

She's probably also crushed that Rose never confided in her even after thousands of years. That despite all they had been through, all the time they were together, Rose never trusted her with the truth.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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