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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#54877: May 19th 2018 at 6:23:47 PM

I just saw "A Single Pale Rose" after catching up and... Oh. I knew the spoiler, but still... Oh.

I can't remember the last time a Wham Episode left me so shook.

edited 19th May '18 6:24:09 PM by Pichu-kun

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#54878: May 19th 2018 at 6:34:12 PM

The Malibu crossover that introduced the Ego Gem I think was probably done after Marvel bought Malibu

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54879: May 20th 2018 at 11:32:55 AM

@Smart Girl & Adric: It's not clear what either of you mean by a "Ronaldo tier" theory. Lacking evidence? Definitely not right? Maintained after future evidence to the contrary? Horribly out-of-character?

These are not mutually inclusive, and only the first consistently applies to Ronaldo: He's made several lucky guesses, changed his theories constantly (despite his rant about "truth"), and doesn't (intentionally) make theories about people he personally knows.

Old fandom theories are weird.
I heard or developed a bunch of theories from late season 1a to mid-season 1b that were viable at the time, but ended up being disproven a while later.
  • Numerous theories about corruption, including Earth's environment being the cause. Then "Same Old World" showed the first hint of the real cause, and the eventual truth became the overwhelmingly popular theory.
  • People were really curious why the Crystal Gems could eat, breathe, and sleep even though they didn't have to, basically giving them redundant organ systems. They also showed they could change their default form, and Peridot showed up, looking like a triangular robot. Those altogether made some suspects the Crystal Gems were less humanoid before coming to Earth. Then Jasper showed up, Ian JQ flat-out said gems' humanoid shape was inexplicable, and Guide to the Crystal Gems specify it was just the inside of the Crystal Gems they made humanlike.
  • For a while after "On the Run" aired, people thought Kindergartens were a non-standard form of gem reproduction, and that the other gems were made in some way that couldn't be reproduced. Over the course of the second season, it became gradually more obvious that all gems (except maybe the diamonds) were made that way.
  • There was much speculation about the Pyramid Temple and the gem held within. Nowadays, as important as the mural was in foreshadowing the war, it seems like whatever purpose the temple itself served, and who made it, wasn't really considered.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#54880: May 20th 2018 at 11:43:10 AM

I know one thing I really pushed for early on was the idea that no single Gem should be stronger than a Gem fusion.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#54881: May 20th 2018 at 11:49:37 AM

"Meow!"

edited 20th May '18 12:45:40 PM by AegisP

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#54882: May 20th 2018 at 12:17:42 PM

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Personally I mean it to mean "theory that didn't have any evidence whatsoever at the time and made no sense even then". Like that bizarre "Jasper is a forced fusion" theory which was only ever backed up by an erroneous look at her pupils.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54883: May 20th 2018 at 12:20:56 PM

[up][up]You can imbed Youtube links—one per post, maybe more now. It's "[[youtube|:hash]]" with the "|" removed.


So I just realized something about Lars' eye scar. Given it's a pretty precise cut, it was probably made by a piece of shrapnel in the eye. As there's no exit wound, wouldn't that mean it's still in his head?

edited 20th May '18 12:22:12 PM by thatother1dude

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#54884: May 20th 2018 at 12:40:07 PM

[up] I know there is a way to do it, I couldnt because for some goddamn reason the Markup Help doesnt fucking work for me. Im super grateful!

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#54885: May 20th 2018 at 12:40:26 PM

You know, I've yet to see somebody use Uncle Grandpa for that Spongebob meme. It should be Rose, Pearl, Amethyst... and Uncle Grandpa. Because they all took Rose's form.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54886: May 20th 2018 at 12:44:02 PM

Like that bizarre "Jasper is a forced fusion" theory which was only ever backed up by an erroneous look at her pupils.
Is that how that started? I didn't bother looking into it.

Reminds of when an animation error in "Keeping It Together" showed a bubbled cluster turn into Centipeetle's gem as it was teleported away, and people were thinking it meant... something about gem corruption. Thankfully, Burnett clarified it was just a mistake. I figure there's a "bubbled gem being teleported away" reference animation with Centipeetle's gem in it (because she was in the first episode from), and an animator's missed that they had to replace it.

[up][up]You've got to take out the "|"—that was something I stuck in because it wouldn't show you the formatting otherwise (the usual "[=PotHole=]" isn't working for some reason).

edited 20th May '18 12:56:38 PM by thatother1dude

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#54887: May 20th 2018 at 1:37:21 PM

I definitely remember the "forced fusion Jasper" theory came from her pupils of all things. People were trying to say that only she and Garnet had pupils so that somehow meant Jasper was a forced fusion.

It was disproven after a day or so but the steam at which it picked up was pretty fast, from what I recall.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54888: May 20th 2018 at 4:05:50 PM

The earliest hints of Rose being Pink Diamond (i.e. the older Homeworld symbol in the Sky Arena, the pink diamonds on Pearl's space suit and Sardonyx's shoes) made me think Rose was one of Homeworld's leaders, who weren't all diamonds.

After "It Could've Been Great" specified the top dogs were all diamonds, I brushed off all the theories from then onward because I assumed they involved Rose publicly changing her name, which no one had any good reason to keep from Steven. But I didn't actually read any of them, so I have to ask: How many of the pre-"Back to the Moon" "Rose Quartz is Pink Diamond" theories included "but almost no one knows"? Obviously, pretty much all of them afterward would have to be—but by that point, I wasn't even paying attention.

In hindsight, I wasn't just wrong by fact, I was actively ignoring evidence. Some of these hints seems comically obvious in hindsight, like the contradictory/needlessly confusing accounts of where Rose came from (even though I myself brought them up repeatedly) or especially Pink turning out to be the exact same colors as Lion and Lars.


Speaking of Lion, another old, wrong-but-not-crazy theory, after "Lion 3" premiered, a bunch of people took the tree inside Lion's mane as a sign that Rose made him from plants. And to be fair, the tree's presence is only vaguely explained by Lion's actual origin.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#54889: May 20th 2018 at 5:04:15 PM

Jasper being a fusion came from the fact that the only gems that had pupils were fusions. That is, every fusion we'd seen thus far except Opal.

Also there was Malachite's size, which was huge for a Two-gem fusion. And the fact that Malachite's name eded in -ite, as the only other gem to have an -ite name was also the only three-Gem fusion we'd seen thus far.

I may or may not have believed that theory for a minute or two, why do you ask?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#54890: May 20th 2018 at 5:18:06 PM

If anyone noticed, I ducked out of the thread after the last episodes, mostly because the post count told me things were going too fast. And I was already losing enough sleep during the workweek (damn Monday night premieres).

Did I miss anything interesting, discussion-wise?

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#54891: May 20th 2018 at 5:18:57 PM

About the only thing that would make me consider the plausibility of 'Jasper is a fusion' is their strength alone ,I've heard about the eyes theory but never really considered it

The weird thing is,hypothetically there could be a fusion that calls themselves 'Jasper'

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#54892: May 20th 2018 at 5:24:41 PM

Also Jasper was two-toned. That might have added some fuel to the campfire.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#54893: May 20th 2018 at 5:32:05 PM

I mean, aren't some of the Gems already two-toned?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#54894: May 20th 2018 at 5:42:09 PM

In terms of skin color? It's rare even among fusions.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54895: May 20th 2018 at 6:50:20 PM

Jasper's coloring seems to be a product of the sandstone she emerged from.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#54896: May 20th 2018 at 8:30:34 PM

@Sal Fish Fin: Opal has pupils. Are you referring to Stevonnie?

I think another thing about the Jasper's a Fusion theory was because of the way her gem was faceted, it looked like it could be the gems of two other Gems so close together that they'd be mistaken for one... Which is also why the theory turned into "Jasper's a forced Fusion" following "Keeping It Together".

edited 20th May '18 10:11:55 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#54897: May 20th 2018 at 9:34:28 PM

One interesting scene I remember that comes off differently post-reveal is the one where Peridot contacts Yellow Diamond and is received by Yellow Pearl. Pearl dismisses Steven's question about who she is by saying not all Pearls know each other. Now, knowing that Pearl was Pink Diamond's personal Pearl, we can surmise that she almost certainly does know Yellow Pearl from way back and was deflecting Steven's question (though possibly with some genuine annoyance at Steven's presumtion thrown in).

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54898: May 20th 2018 at 9:35:42 PM

It is possible that Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond got new Pearls at some point in the last 5,000 or so years.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#54899: May 20th 2018 at 9:37:02 PM

I think not, given that there's a picture of Yellow Pearl with YD on the computer on that jungle moon that's implicitly older than Homeworld's colonization of Earth.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54900: May 20th 2018 at 9:41:09 PM

Unless Yellow Diamond had a new Pearl customized to look exactly like her old one. Not like we'd be able to tell.

Though if Pearl did know Yellow Diamond's Pearl, I get the feeling she wasn't on particularly good terms with her. Yellow Pearl does seem to have let her position go to her head.

On a side note, hearing all three Pearls speak made me realize that Deedee Magno-Hall is an amazing voice actress.

The only other time I was this impressed by voice acting was when I watched that episode of Rick and Morty focusing on the Citadel.

edited 20th May '18 9:45:17 PM by M84

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