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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54801: May 17th 2018 at 3:47:38 PM

Doesn't the shield have a Rose Quartz insignia on it? If so I assume it was only made after her change.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54802: May 17th 2018 at 4:01:18 PM

Yeah, I figured she conjured the shield when she began her double life.

FerrousMaelstom Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54803: May 17th 2018 at 4:22:40 PM

The gems can summon the Bismuth-enhanced versions of their weapons so maybe it's possible to create a weapon completely then link it to your gem somehow.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54804: May 17th 2018 at 4:30:19 PM

That seems implied with how Bismuth did that, yeah. Begs the question why Rose didn't store her sword in her gem too though.

edited 17th May '18 4:31:18 PM by xanderiskander

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#54805: May 17th 2018 at 4:36:06 PM

Another thing I'm wondering is whether taking on a new form meant she had to sacrifice a lot of her existing powers so she became weaker as a result,like she's still pretty powerful but in maintain the Rose identity she has to hold back a lot of her strength and powers,using them sparring or not at all,like the restriction means if she starts using powers only a Diamond could have access it would slowly revert her back to her old form

[up]She probably could have conjured a sword too but it would have been too powerful,or having Pearl carry her sword meant there was less risk of accidentally summoning in front of the Diamonds

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#54806: May 17th 2018 at 4:42:59 PM

Considering that Earth was a Gem colony, I assume even in Steven Universe the founding fathers would try to claim independence from the Gem empire. I don't know much about American history, but I had the impression "natural-born citizen" was meant to prevent a Britishman from running for office while allowing the founding fathers to do so, since there was no country per se before the War of Independence that could grant them citizenship. As such, I assume they would be opposed to any of the Crystal Gems running for office on principle.

EDIT: As far as I know I'm talking bullshit, I don't know much about American history.

edited 17th May '18 4:44:24 PM by Victin

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54807: May 17th 2018 at 4:45:15 PM

But the war was over and the Gems were all gone or corrupted thousands of years before any of the "Founding Fathers" were born. None of them would have even known there was a war or a Gem empire.

edited 17th May '18 4:56:48 PM by WillKeaton

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#54808: May 17th 2018 at 4:46:02 PM

Passed down as a story in legends

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#54809: May 17th 2018 at 4:52:36 PM

Though it kinda assumes that the factions involved knew enough of the Gempire and the Diamonds designs for earth. (Possible) and that the Crystal Gems didn't try to wage their own rebellion under a masquerade (Something that might be likely if Rose had a "I don't want my Protectorate risking themselves against a threat I brought to them" attitude).

Actually come to think of it? How much do we know about how the Crystal Gems operated during the war. Did they try to keep it hidden until its end, or were they openly waging it in plain sight?

[up][up]And yeah it also assumes that the the CG's own war for independence was concurrent with that of the American colonies.

edited 17th May '18 4:53:37 PM by MorningStar1337

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#54810: May 17th 2018 at 4:54:02 PM

[up][up][up]The show has gone great lengths to ignore dealing directly with the impact of Gem colonization in human history. I don't think that's the kind of story Sugar wants to tell, and that's fine.

The impression I have is that people know about Gems, or, at the very least, there is some information on them even if the general public might think they don't exist (nowadays or ever). Academia, or fringe sections of it, might be more aware than the general public.

Even if the founding fathers didn't consider the Gems in-universe when writing the constitution, I assume that they'd be opposed for them running for office on principle. Furthermore, I also assume present-day courts would similarly be opposed to any of the Gems running for office, though it might end up as a Supreme Court issue.

EDIT: [up]

And yeah it also assumes that the the CG's own war for independence was concurrent with that of the American colonies.

I didn't assume anything.

The war, as far as we know, would have ended thousands of years before the first British set foot on America in-universe. See "Buddy's Book".

edited 17th May '18 4:56:37 PM by Victin

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54811: May 17th 2018 at 5:22:52 PM

[up] The war ended before there was a British nation.

edited 17th May '18 5:24:02 PM by CaptainCapsase

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54813: May 17th 2018 at 6:25:27 PM

Then don't say humans want independence from the Gem Empire.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54815: May 17th 2018 at 6:34:33 PM

[up] x9 "I assume even in Steven Universe the founding fathers would try to claim independence from the Gem empire."

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#54816: May 17th 2018 at 6:43:29 PM

They would [try to claim independence from the Gem Empire] if they knew about it. They could have not known.

Either way, if you aren't interested in hypothetically considering "what if they did", I added the part about present-day courts in my following post, because if the issue of whether or not the Gems count as American citizens was brought to court, I find it likely an investigation (or simply asking any of the Gems) would quickly discover that the War happened even if you assume no human on Earth knows it did.

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#54817: May 17th 2018 at 6:51:20 PM

All this Talk about storing the weapons makes me remember how previously weapons were a thing "Every gem was born with" and not simply weapons that are stored in the gem.

True, it hasnt been retconned that hard, but only Rose/Steven, Garnet, Pearl and Amethyst have such inborn weapons now. Oh and probably Aquamarine's wand.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54818: May 17th 2018 at 6:56:14 PM

Aquamarine's wand is also her hair bow. So no, it's not something she "summons." I think the Topazes summon their weapons though. Not 100% sure on that one.

edited 17th May '18 6:58:17 PM by WillKeaton

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#54819: May 17th 2018 at 7:05:36 PM

And Jasper, Holly Blue, and Eyeball.

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#54820: May 17th 2018 at 7:10:50 PM

The Famethyst most likely have their own weapons, as well.

edited 17th May '18 7:11:16 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54821: May 17th 2018 at 7:17:07 PM

The Topazes summon their weapons. Their weapons even combine when they fuse in a manner similar to the other Fusions we've seen.

Aquamarine's tractor beam wand seems to be a material weapon akin to the Destabilizers.

edited 17th May '18 7:22:23 PM by M84

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#54822: May 17th 2018 at 7:40:51 PM

Oh then there wasnt any retcon and I just wasnt paying attention. Good.

WAIT. Can Gems other than Pearls have dimensions inside their gems? Could Pearl go inside Steven's gem and see Rose again?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54823: May 17th 2018 at 7:48:03 PM

Pearl has a lot of abilities that other Gems don't have. This might be one of them. One suspects Pink Diamond made her an Ace Custom of sorts.

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#54824: May 17th 2018 at 8:40:39 PM

I like the theory that Pearl summons a whole lot of spears ahead of time, just because the method she usually uses to summon them is rather slow.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54825: May 17th 2018 at 9:03:48 PM

Pearls are more or less glorified accessories, so she has to compensate by being Crazy-Prepared and keeping her skills well honed. She's very much Weak, but Skilled — she's the most skilled fighter on the team, but can't do much damage or take hits very well at all. She can't even regenerate as quickly as the others — she takes two weeks to regenerate while Garnet's components regenerate within hours and Amethyst regenerates within minutes.

edited 17th May '18 9:04:27 PM by M84

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