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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#54626: May 12th 2018 at 3:30:12 PM

Actually there was someone who had a more concrete basis. The Diamond insignia seen in Jail Break had three triangles which were (accurately) guessed to represent Yellow (who was mentioned), and White and Blue.

This person pointed out that while the CG symbol is a star, Rose's' personal symbol is actually a pink triangle.

Still not a good basis for a theory, mind you but I do think that particular design element was deliberate.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54627: May 12th 2018 at 3:54:11 PM

Interesting point I saw somewhere else in regards Pearl's form,Pink custom designed her to have multiple colours so she could impersonate any Gem,same with her pale skin

If Pink was a planning mastermind that is,which judging from how she effectively played both sides effectively and all without her cover being blown once,and then staged her own death without raising suspicion,then she probably was

And that bratty behaviour? She acted up knowing they would eventually give her a colony from which she could start a rebellion.

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#54628: May 12th 2018 at 4:16:38 PM

I really don't think PD's demand for a colony was anything but sincere.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54629: May 12th 2018 at 4:22:40 PM

For a moment my top Pinterest boards were "Gay", "Space", and "Gems".

Huh.

Anyway, there's still something that bothers me about Pink...in Steven's dream she complains to the Diamonds about Rose Quartz, but she IS Rose Quartz.

So did that not happen? Or did she complain to them, expecting them to do...what.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54630: May 12th 2018 at 4:25:59 PM

She was having to complain about herself really

edited 12th May '18 4:26:06 PM by Ultimatum

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#54631: May 12th 2018 at 4:29:24 PM

I'm a few pages late for first reactions, but, what the heck, that was a wham of an episode. I had heard it was going to be whammy, but I managed to avoid spoilers until I watched it and, whew, I'm glad I did. It kinda overshadowed every other episode I watched before it (poor Lapis Lazuli; I'm a genuine Sadie Killer and the Suspects fan). It gives a new meaning to so many different things.

I can see why people could hate Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz, but I personally won't point my finger at her unless I can see an alternative and reasonable course of action to what she has done. I'm not saying creating an alter ego and then waging war against yourself is a good idea, I'm saying I haven't been able to come up with another good option. I'm convinced the other course of actions I've thought of or seen around would result in any or all of the other Diamonds putting a stop to Pink's plans and taking over the Earth anyways.

[up][up][up][up]I don't think Pink Diamond was a cunning mastermind.

[up][up]It was a ruse.

edited 12th May '18 4:29:54 PM by Victin

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#54632: May 12th 2018 at 4:32:02 PM

So it was just "I don't like it here, I want to go home."

What is the human mental age of Pink Diamond...17? Younger?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54633: May 12th 2018 at 4:35:48 PM

i don't think she was mastermind,either but pretending to be two people at once and not getting caught is a genius move really,or she's really really lucky

Pearl probably helped with most of the planning though.

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#54634: May 12th 2018 at 4:41:23 PM

[up]It helps she could shapeshift. And eventually had someone who could predict the future for her.

[up][up]I feel it was more like "if I act like I can't deal with this, then maybe my sisters will give up on colonizing Earth."

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#54635: May 12th 2018 at 4:46:24 PM

"That darn rebel Rose Quartz! She's as brilliant and strong as she is beautiful!" -Pink Diamond maybe

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54636: May 12th 2018 at 4:46:52 PM

Even if you can shapeshift pretending to be two different people at once is tricky,you have account for fact they can never ever be seen together so you have plan accordingly,Pearl could pretend to be her but then she has ask "At that moment,what would Rose be doing" because her crystal gems would be wondering where she is when she's being Pink and her loyal Gems would be wondering what Pink is doing

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54637: May 12th 2018 at 4:49:45 PM

I think it's likely that when Pearl was first made, she was all pink, but when the whole Rose Quartz thing started she changed her appearance so people wouldn't look at her and immediately say "Isn't that Pink Diamond's Pearl?"

dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54638: May 12th 2018 at 4:56:36 PM

A pretty interesting interview with Sugar on the whole Rose/Pink twist:

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#54639: May 12th 2018 at 6:28:01 PM

I knew that the "My Pearl" line was a sign of respect!

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higurashimerlin Since: Aug, 2012
#54640: May 12th 2018 at 8:42:36 PM

My first introduction to the Rose= Pink Diamond theory involved someone comparing the shape and coloring of Rose's gem to a rose diamond.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54641: May 12th 2018 at 9:39:05 PM

[up]x6 There is a reason people call Rose Quartz Pink Diamond’s Gemsona.

edited 12th May '18 9:39:33 PM by M84

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54642: May 13th 2018 at 9:09:24 AM

Pinky and Pearl immediately made me think of this song

Pearl was probably the brains of their operations

edited 13th May '18 9:14:25 AM by Ultimatum

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#54643: May 13th 2018 at 9:15:46 AM

The recent reveal kind of put some of Rose's past decisions in a worse light.

Like, the subtext of her refusing to use the Breaking Point because it'd make them "the same as Homeworld" now seems less like an attempt to keep a moral high ground and more her being so invested in her fake identity that she's mortified by the idea of doing something that the Diamonds would find acceptable.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#54644: May 13th 2018 at 9:28:19 AM

I haven't rewatched that episode again but I still feel like Rose had the moral high ground, regardless of why she chose to stand there. Besides, given that she was playing both sides of the war, increasing the lethality of the Crystal Gem's approach would be very wrong.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54645: May 13th 2018 at 9:48:17 AM

~Dr Dougsh

Like, the subtext of her refusing to use the Breaking Point because it'd make them "the same as Homeworld" now seems less like an attempt to keep a moral high ground and more her being so invested in her fake identity that she's mortified by the idea of doing something that the Diamonds would find acceptable.
It can't be both? More seriously, two things I think you're not considering is that, to Pink, "Rose Quartz" wasn't a "fake" identity, it was her preferred identity. She wanted to discard Pink Diamond and remain Rose Quartz forever, so the "invested in her fake identity" idea, to my mind, falls flat. Also the reason she might not want to do something the Diamonds would find acceptable is because in this case, "what the Diamonds would find acceptable" ran completely counter to her "moral high ground".

The more cynical question to me is, depending on how long Rose was considering Faking the Dead, could it have occurred to her that the Breaking Point could jeopardize her plan in the sense of people might actually ask why she didn't use the BP to shatter Pink Diamond if it was well-known. The only reason I don't consider this more seriously myself is it requires more foresight than it seems Pink/Rose actually possessed.

edited 13th May '18 11:42:25 AM by sgamer82

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#54646: May 13th 2018 at 11:40:34 AM

I figured that she still cared for the other Diamonds (and regular Homeworld gems to a lesser extent) and didn't want harm to come to them.

dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54647: May 13th 2018 at 11:48:26 AM

It looks like the new ending theme is complete as of this episode

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54648: May 13th 2018 at 12:01:24 PM

> I figured that she still cared for the other Diamonds (and regular Homeworld gems to a lesser extent) and didn't want harm to come to them.

That and Crystal Gems shattering when they previously bubbled would lead them to break all the other rules they adhered to,plus Homeworld would just respond with deadlier weapons,and then Crystal Gems would need something counter to their counter weapon.They basically wouldn't be able to keep up and would wind up loosing once they lost the arms race

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#54649: May 13th 2018 at 12:02:23 PM

I feel like Rose/Pink's refusal of the Breaking Point is both a combination of Moral High ground and her old identity still surfacing. As a Diamond, the Gems are essentially her children and even if she's rejected her old life, she didn't want anything to happen to them. Remember, she assumed her sisters would leave Earth alone once she was gone, but once that didn't happen, she was forced to continue with the lie.

I think an episode devoted to showing how guilty she was about the whole thing would do wonders, because so many lives were ruined because of her actions and she kind of had to live with it until Steven was born.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54650: May 13th 2018 at 12:59:11 PM

In light of the reveal I wonder if they'll take down her portrait from it's position in the front room

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