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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#54601: May 12th 2018 at 2:00:00 AM

[up] It would reveal the true shape of her gem, however I don't think Pearl not going through with it didn't have anything to do with the vow of silence.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54602: May 12th 2018 at 2:10:59 AM

I kind of get the feeling the geas only applied to verbal or textual communication or possibly visual pantomime. If it was really able to control Pearl's every action to keep the secret, she shouldn't have even been able to do what she did in that episode.

And let's not forget that for the longest time, Pearl was proud to keep this secret. It was probably only around the time of "Back to the Moon" when she saw Steven's reaction to finding out "Rose" shattered Pink Diamond that she started to think "maybe I need to find a way to tell him." The events of "I am my Mom" were probably when she started thinking "I definitely need to find a way to tell him." Which is probably why it took her this long to figure out a Loophole Abuse.

edited 12th May '18 2:14:29 AM by M84

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srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#54603: May 12th 2018 at 3:28:05 AM

I am going to reiterate the following questions, because I really do require some feedback for them. So please answer them, anyone who can

1. Is anybody else more than a tad bit annoyed by the fact that both Eyeball and Aquamarine actually never got any sort of comeuppance for all of the things that they both said and did?

2. Has anyone else noticed that Sapphire is pretty much the only blue Crystal Gem? I mean, every other blue gem that we have seen so far has either been a Homeworld Gem (Blue Diamond, Blue Pearl, Holly Blue Agate, Aquamarine and the Defending Zircon) or an unaligned gem with no real affiliations towards either side whatsoever (Lapis Lazuli and Fluorite). But, in terms of the Crystal Gems; they have been known to have one red gem, one white gem, one pink gem, two purple gems, four purple gem fusions, one pink gem fusion, one red gem fusion, one magenta gem fusion and most recently a green gem. However Sapphire is the only confirmed blue gem among the CG team, which does make me wonder what this show has against the color blue?

3. It has been stated that the holidays; Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas don’t exist in this world but why is that the case? I mean what could the Gems have possibly done to cause the original historical starting points for these holidays to never happen?

4. When exactly did these following fan theories first start to resonate within the fandom?

A. There was a great Diamond Authority in control of all of Gemkind B. There were other Diamonds in charge besides the mentioned Yellow Diamond of “The Return” episode C. Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond

When did these theories first start become common knowledge amongst the fandom?

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#54604: May 12th 2018 at 3:49:37 AM

As far as we know, there was no religion (or at least, Christianity) so thats why those holidays dont exist.

As for predicting the Diamonds, someone saw the "Three Triangle" symbol I'm Jasper's ship in Jailbreak and then compared it to the "Four Diamond" symbol in the sky arena in Sworn to the Sword and realized that there was a pink in the old model symbol that's currently missing from the new one. And thus the theory.

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#54605: May 12th 2018 at 4:22:35 AM

I'm sure there were other blue Gem Crystal Gems. Sapphire's the only one we've seen because the others are either Corrupted or shattered.

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#54606: May 12th 2018 at 4:51:33 AM

There won't have been many Blue crystal gems since it was Pink's planet,the majority would have been Gems previously loyal to her along with gems that aren't tired to a particular court like Bismuth

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54607: May 12th 2018 at 5:45:07 AM

1. Is anybody else more than a tad bit annoyed by the fact that both Eyeball and Aquamarine actually never got any sort of comeuppance for all of the things that they both said and did?
Not really. Eyeball got stuck in space for however long it took Homeworld to find her, so that's comeuppance enough for me. Aquamarine undid most of her bad actions because of Steven and was even sympathetic in her last scene with Topaz, agreeing to ignore what had just happened with her. Not much uppance needed coming and, even if it did, there wasn't any real opportunity to give it to her.

2. Has anyone else noticed that Sapphire is pretty much the only blue Crystal Gem? I mean, every other blue gem that we have seen so far has either been a Homeworld Gem (Blue Diamond, Blue Pearl, Holly Blue Agate, Aquamarine and the Defending Zircon) or an unaligned gem with no real affiliations towards either side whatsoever (Lapis Lazuli and Fluorite). But, in terms of the Crystal Gems; they have been known to have one red gem, one white gem, one pink gem, two purple gems, four purple gem fusions, one pink gem fusion, one red gem fusion, one magenta gem fusion and most recently a green gem. However Sapphire is the only confirmed blue gem among the CG team, which does make me wonder what this show has against the color blue?
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More seriously I think you're reading too much into that. All only having one blue gem in the Crystal Gems means is they only have one blue gem in the Crystal Gems.

Also a reminder, given some of the replies, that a gem's color doesn't automatically indicate who they serve, or else Amethyst would be pink and Yellow Diamond's Rubies would be yellow and our Ruby would be blue.

3. It has been stated that the holidays; Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas don’t exist in this world but why is that the case? I mean what could the Gems have possibly done to cause the original historical starting points for these holidays to never happen?
Simplest answer just send to be Alternate History. It's not like it'd be hard to alter, the Gems have lived on Earth for millennia, long before even our oldest acknowledged holidays and their presence caused all kinds of stuff like Strawberry Battlefields. History diverged at such an early point that the events which bright these holidays about simply never occurred in the first place.

I got nothing for #4 because that's not a topic I ever followed.

edited 12th May '18 5:45:56 AM by sgamer82

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#54608: May 12th 2018 at 6:14:19 AM

I find it hard to believe that Rose never once got poofed in the centuries that the Crystal Gems have been around.

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#54609: May 12th 2018 at 6:17:17 AM

It probably helps that Pearl would constantly jump between her and danger

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54610: May 12th 2018 at 6:18:09 AM

I could. It'd just be another thing to add to the legend, Diamonds may be very hard to poof in the first place, and Pearl may well have prevented it happening on occasion.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#54611: May 12th 2018 at 6:50:46 AM

I wouldn't read anything into the relative scarcity of blue Crystal Gems considering that none of the gems in the main or secondary cast of protagonists share an exact colour.

edited 12th May '18 6:50:55 AM by DrDougsh

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#54612: May 12th 2018 at 7:30:03 AM

Rose could have been poofed on a mission alone with Pearl potentially.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#54613: May 12th 2018 at 7:48:16 AM

For a time, I thought gem colors that matched a diamond color served that diamond (so essentially primary colors were unique to one of the primary color diamonds, with treating pink as red in this case), and that the secondary colors could be moved under the two colors that make up that secondary color but wouldn't be under the third primary at all. So rubies under pink, topazes under yellow and sapphires under blue. Then you have orange jems like Jasper who could serve pink/yellow diamond but not blue, green Peridot under yellow/blue diamond but not pink and purple amethyst under blue/pink diamond but not yellow.

Of course, this idea fell apart as more gems were revealed like Blue's rubies and skinny Jasper. Considering their caste system, though, it wouldn't be surprising seeing them be that OCD and specific in their separations at one time.

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#54614: May 12th 2018 at 9:54:22 AM

> I thought gem colors that matched a diamond color served that diamond

They still do,but it usually depends on what they do and how high up they are,Gems like the rubies are common foot soldiers who could called upon by any Diamond,Gems like Lapis are specified to be terraformers so that might mean transformering planets is something handled by Blue Diamonds's court

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edited 12th May '18 10:04:39 AM by Ultimatum

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54615: May 12th 2018 at 10:05:42 AM

The only indicator I've seen to show what Diamond a given Gem serves is the Diamond emblem they wear. Our Ruby wore blue, Jasper had yellow. Rose had pink in "Your Mother and Mine"

The Pearls are probably an exception to that, since they're made specific for their owners so matching their color to a Diamond seems like an easy enough assumption to make.

edited 12th May '18 10:06:43 AM by sgamer82

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#54616: May 12th 2018 at 10:19:45 AM

Does anyone else regularly see SU spoilers on Youtube even when not looking at the series? For months, whenever I look up random cartoon-related stuff my Related videos have a bunch of spoilery clickbait videos.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54617: May 12th 2018 at 11:28:06 AM

Try deleting your watch history. That should help.

srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#54618: May 12th 2018 at 1:32:49 PM

I’ll just come right to the main question that has been dogging me: where exactly did the “Rose Quartz is Pink Diamond” theory begin and what initially caused people to start thinking such a thing? I have to know what earlier hint that I missed

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#54619: May 12th 2018 at 1:39:10 PM

It was pretty early - I think before Pink was mentioned by name.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#54620: May 12th 2018 at 1:42:04 PM

I think it was just a crack theory that strangely was confirmed

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54621: May 12th 2018 at 1:53:37 PM

IIRC it started as a crack theory with people who liked Chosen One narratives and such, plus used by some fans who had trouble reconciling Rose being both a good person and a killer.

It then blew up from there.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54622: May 12th 2018 at 1:56:31 PM

Anyway I hope people lay off Pearl somewhat. Sure her over-idealization of Rose Quartz was toxic, but it's much more understandable how deeply entwined she was with Rose's plans.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54623: May 12th 2018 at 2:19:21 PM

I think the Rose is Pink Diamond theory goes as far back as the first season, when I joined the fandom in at about the time of the season one finale the theory was still around. I know people cited the Pink Diamond insignia being present from the older Diamond Insignias and absent in the more modern ones, so we know something was up with Pink, though I forget why that meant Rose was Pink. We knew something was up with Pink because for so long they avoided talking about her. People thinking Pearl was Pink Diamond's Pearl goes back about as far back as "Back to the Barn" where we first learned Pearl's were handmaidens, I know up until then people thought Pearls were technicians thanks to episodes like "Space Race." One big piece of evidence people often cited was Pearl leaving the group during their trip to the moon base with Peridot. When Peri was explaining who Yellow Diamond was, Pearl was off looking at Pink's portrait, which we now know was exactly what happened. I feel like there was a more substantial piece of evidence that I can't remember.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54624: May 12th 2018 at 2:20:51 PM

As far as I can tell it basically started because "Hey, there used to be a Pink Diamond but isn't anymore, hey, Rose is Pink so maybe it was her."

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#54625: May 12th 2018 at 2:29:21 PM

That's pretty much the basis for any similar theories...

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