I still want to think that she's White's Pearl, and something happened to Pink's. Like, she broke her or something.
"Here, take White's. She's not using her."
But Crystal Gem Pearl doesn't seem THAT high and mighty...if White has a Pearl, I don't think that she'd be so traitorous.
You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stayWell, our Pearl is "defective", according to Jasper. I'm guessing some high-rank gem ordered her creation, but rejected her upon noticing the gem in her forehead or whatever. The sorta compassionate Pink Diamond asked to take this "defective" Pearl as her own rather than have one made for her, and Blue and Yellow were like, "Fine, whatever. I guess we save on resources that way."
I finally decided to catch up with this show after hearing everyone talking about there having been a Wham Episode. Blazed through every episode since "Lars' Head" in the course of an afternoon. Excellent stuff, but I can't say I'm too fond of the latest episode's twist. When we'd speculated about this very thing in past discussions I'd felt that having Rose turned out to not have killed Pink Diamond was a cop-out, and now that it's happened... yeah, I guess I do kind of feel that way.
I mean, I don't really feel the reveal makes Rose any more complex as a character. She was already established as morally gray beforehand and the recent reveal just changes the nature of her moral grayness. It's less making her more complex and more just replacing what we thought we had with something else — and, for my tastes, not necessarily something better.
I think Pearl is only considered "defective" in the sense that she's defying her purpose by not just being an ornament.
edited 11th May '18 5:08:40 PM by DrDougsh
People are stoopid...is basically what that's saying.
But it's all good, because it's an explanation.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I know what you mean. This is interesting, but it does rob the show of that angle, and I don't think Garnet making it clear she does feel that way (that destroying Pink was justified and necessary) carries the same weight without it actually happening. I'll reserve total judgement when it's over, but that is something that I'm not hopeful about.
Same. This certainly adds/changes the context of a lot of things, but it doesn't necessarily make Rose a worse or better person, just different in a way we didn't expect. Evidently there's disagreement with that sentiment, but it's kind of where I landed, and I admit to liking seeing someone else feel the same. With the caveat that I'm not necessarily going to say I dislike it, response to the first quoted material aside.
edited 11th May '18 6:58:50 PM by LSBK
Honestly I'm perfectly fine with the reveal. Less because of any weight changes to the themes or plot and more because I'm a sucker for something like this, a revelation in the plot that makes you look at much if not all of the story up to this point in a whole new light.
Truth be told, whether this is good or bad for the show in the long run is, at the moment, irrelevant to me.
I think the point of each reveal about Rose is they're supposed to make Rose less complex. It becomes clearer, and clearer, with each piece of information we learn about Rose, that she wasn't this genius tactician everybody sees her as. She was just a plucky, and childish, Wide-Eyed Idealist who wanted to try and be happy doing something she liked instead of being stuck with a job that was forced on her at birth.
At this point, it's likely all of the supposedly grand ideas she had about the Earth, and gems getting freedom of choice, etc were just the gems around her taking her ideas, and filling in the blanks to make them more complex than they really were.
In fact I think this show seems to treat quite a few of it's characters like Rose (not all of them). It sets characters up as playing a role you'd expect and then subverts it try and simplify and humanize them.
Whether that's good or not is up for debate. TBH for me sometimes this show's morals are so idealist that it almost seems like something I'd hear on Mr.Rodgers or it gets close to being Good Is Dumb territory.
edited 11th May '18 7:49:12 PM by xanderiskander
I don't know about that, even with all of this I can't imagine she wasn't being sincere with Bismuth, Garnet, and Amethyst.
Or Pearl, for that matter, who has been very adamant that what she does is for what Rose wanted, and that was preserving the Earth and humanity (even if she herself didn't understand humanity very well).
Oh, I think the foundation of it was from her ideas. I just think she also had a lot of help fleshing them out into something digestible for gems to rally around.
Pearl probably helped organize them. And some of it like Garnet fusing for the first time was at least partly a happy accident that just happened to line up with her goals.
I think one point that they're working towards is that the other crystal gems put a lot more work into the movement than they realize, and they tend to give Rose the credit for it.
edited 11th May '18 8:08:09 PM by xanderiskander
Garnet was a complete coincidence. They had no idea that would happen when they attacked.
Rose was also honest with Bismuth about being free to do what you want due to feeling the same way about being a Diamond. She just failed to realize just how much anger was boiling up inside Bismuth until she saw the Breaking Point.
Disgusted, but not surprisedThere's a good AU plot bunny with Rose getting captured like Sapphire predicted and then being exposed as Pink Diamond
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt does also add a layer to Rose not wanting Bismuth to create a weapon that could only kill fellow Gems. Provided she cared about the people fighting for her as Pink as much as she cared about the Crystal Gems as Rose, she wouldn't want anyone to die.
And it's implied that enough people were dying without her being able to stop it (at least without breaking the masquerade) in the first place.
I really want Jasper to come back and learn this reveal now
It's going to blow her mind
Forever liveblogging the Avengers![]()
Rather, Pearl.
Jasper is going to become a fanatic for Steven, in order to serve Pink. Pearl and Pink tried to grow together to move about the hierarchy of their society, but Jasper won't have none of that in her history. If she learns Rose was Pink Diamond, than Steven is Pink Diamond.
Jasper's development will be about how Steven is not Pink, and that Jasper can grow beyond her purpose.
edited 11th May '18 10:10:51 PM by SilentColossus
But in the meantime the knowledge that she didn't fail Pink and her Diamond wasn't killed when she was in screaming range might ease some of her deep seated self loathing
Or make her even more mad. Who can say
Forever liveblogging the AvengersToying with...
Even so, how are the two things related...?
As far as actions go, this wouldn't really violate bringing up anything verbally....
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Heh,I'm just imagining Pinkie got make her pearl and showed her off
"Ta da!"-unveils her new Pearl-
"Isn't she pretty?
"Yes,but why not make her more..pink to match you?You've seen how our Pearls-
"Why is your Pearl have a Gem on her forehead?"
"Ummm,because I wanted her that way?
"Fair enough.."
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