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#54501: May 10th 2018 at 4:20:52 PM

Ha, foreshadowed from the start.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54502: May 10th 2018 at 4:23:05 PM

That pretty clearly described Rose even before we found out who she really was.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#54503: May 10th 2018 at 4:35:27 PM

[up][up]I really didn't get that at all. Absolutely nothing gave me the impression Pink have that much control. The one goal we know she had (stop the colonization) was explicitly vetoed the Diamonds, who treated her as a child in both iterations we get to see. They seemed to have all the authority in both situations. If they were present at all it meant Pink couldn't do as she pleased.

Also, I am pretty sure Eyeball wasn't Pink's. She said she fought on the war, but that was it. In fact, she explicitly called Pink's "Jaspers original diamond", which implies it was not the same for her. As far we know Eyeball always served Yellow.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54504: May 10th 2018 at 4:37:41 PM

There's a difference between having someone with more power than yourself and having no power at all.

As noted, we know Pink had forces because of Jasper, even if we finagle Eyeball as a non-example. We know she had facilities and forces of her own that are now under Yellow's including both the Zoo and the many Gems Yellow has unjustly imprisoned. We know from the Crystal Gems' many accounts of it - and even if we can't trust Pearl, we can trust Garnet and Jasper - that it was Pink's colony and that she was the one behind what they were fighting against.

Add that to the fact that their conversation during Pink's actual governorship was vague and does not actually infer that Blue and Yellow have control over her situation - and is instead referring to Blue and Yellow trying to get Pink to stop complaining about her problems - I can't see that as proof she has no power either. What level of power she had in the actual governorship isn't even relevant to the scene itself.

On the whole, assuming that Pink actually had no power and was just a puppet for Yellow and Blue explicitly requires ignoring most of the actual content and exposition we've gotten a bout the war in the series, so I can't really get behind it. It's not, so far, supported by what we know. It would at least require waiting until we get more information that could justify discounting all that exposition, which due to the nature of the reveal we don't have yet.

edited 10th May '18 4:42:02 PM by KnownUnknown

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#54505: May 10th 2018 at 4:43:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nazd-KgCjVI

HE LEFT HIS FAMILY BEHIND.

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#54506: May 10th 2018 at 4:59:05 PM

An early design of Yellow Diamond from Joe!

Also, he calls Yellow Diamond's hair a helmet, but later edited the post to call it "cool hair" (he didn't edit out the a, though).

The plot thickens...

edited 10th May '18 5:12:19 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#54507: May 10th 2018 at 5:16:33 PM

About the Cookie Cat song being foreshadowing, I think these users, plus the first one's sister, deserve some congratulations. No idea if they're still here, though...

Weird to think about how much has happened since the first episode aired.

edited 10th May '18 5:21:47 PM by FawfulCrump

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#54508: May 10th 2018 at 5:22:08 PM

Does anyone else think the reason Pink was so short is because she literally was a kid? Maybe Diamonds age and grow just like humans until they reach adulthood.

edited 10th May '18 5:22:38 PM by HextarVigar

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#54509: May 10th 2018 at 5:24:41 PM

[up][up][up][up]A figure head is the face of an organization. That means that facing that organization means facing it, even if said figurehead is don't actually do much. And that is what I am arguing Pink is.

Add that to the fact that their conversation during Pink's actual governorship was vague and does not actually infer that Blue and Yellow have control over her situation - and is instead referring to Blue and Yellow trying to get Pink to stop complaining about her problems - I can't see that as proof she has no power either. What level of power she had in the actual governorship isn't even relevant to the scene itself.

Of course the level of power she has is relevant to the scene. The whole point was that she was saying she wanted to abandon her colony. And the fact that she didn't mean that she couldn't. You say I am ignoring all the content and exposition but to me it seem the opposite. It is you who are ignoring that the only two times we actually got to see first hand Pink as part of Homeworld, she was in a position of disempowerment. Like, I don't think it was by chance we saw that scene just before learning about Rose. Its whole purpose was to show why she was about to do what she was going to do.

And, like, she is still Rose. I know this reveal is such a context changer, but I find quite unlikely this mean we are meant to ignore everything we have learned about her so far. She is still the leader of the Crystal Gem and her ultimate goal is still to save Earth and be free. If she actually hat that much power as Pink, the rebellion simply wouldn't have happened. She could simply just pack and leave. And then fake her death somehow and live as Rose Quartz if she wanted.

That said, I do agree we need more exposition before actually know what is really up. I am just saying that the notion that Rose was a mastermind playing both sides perfectly seem to clash with everything I took from these episodes. What I saw wasn't a brilliant strategist at the culmination of her grand plan, but a cornered person trying a last gambit.

edited 10th May '18 5:27:38 PM by Heatth

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Planeswalker
#54510: May 10th 2018 at 5:32:35 PM

It doesn't sound like Pink directly said she wanted to stop building the colony, more that she just complained about everything like the spoiled brat she'd been characterized as (whether you believe she changed from that or not), trying to make herself look so incompetent the other Diamonds would get exasperated and take her off the project (first she complained about the Earth cities being too hard to dismantle, and then about the humans being too hard to kill, and when those both failed that a rebellion [that she started] was forming against her). But instead they told her to stop complaining about her responsibilities and get on with the project she'd been begging for. I thought Blue was trying to comfort her (in a bad way) saying she didn't actually have to do anything and that as long as she was around her forces would take care of things.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54511: May 10th 2018 at 5:34:53 PM

I was surprised by how big Pink actually was. Much smaller than the other Diamonds, yes, but I thought she was supposed to just be the size of a large human, but she wasn't. Rose was the size of a really tall human, and Pink in her true form was much bigger than Rose.

edited 10th May '18 5:35:02 PM by LSBK

alanh Since: May, 2010
#54512: May 10th 2018 at 5:57:22 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Now we're going to find that Lion Lickers are the same thing as Cookie Cats, just in a different shape.

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#54513: May 10th 2018 at 6:01:58 PM

...who also left her family behind for the good of humanity.

I know this is referring to Rose and the Gems, but dang if this thing from four years ago doesn't describe Pink and the Diamonds.

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#54514: May 10th 2018 at 6:24:27 PM

The funny thing is that by all accounts she actually was running the colony fairly well before she had second thoughts about wiping out all life on Earth.

It'd be ironic if one of the reasons she became Rose Quartz in the first place was so that she could go among the other Gem workers and see how conditions were on that level. Kind of like a CEO or a president of a company disguising themselves as a janitor. But as she listened to them more she started to sympathize with the problems of those who didn't quite fit in. She also took the time to explore the rest of the planet and started to grow fond of humans.

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#54515: May 10th 2018 at 6:31:57 PM

I saw a fan art mockup thing of Pink Diamond as undercover boss

Oh hey do you know what the irony here is?

The accusations aren't even wrong at this point. Pink Diamond is dead and it was Rose Quartz that caused it

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#54516: May 10th 2018 at 6:45:55 PM

So what about Rose Quartz?

Are we finally gonna SEE one?

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#54517: May 10th 2018 at 6:50:33 PM

[up]x3 [up]x2

"A buddy of mine saw Rose Quartz take her shirt off in the shower and she said that Rose Quartz had an eight pack, that Rose Quartz was shredded."

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#54518: May 10th 2018 at 7:32:11 PM

Again, this is how I see Pink's power within the colony and Homeworld:

By law, the Diamonds seemingly have total control over their colonies and their gems. Theoretically, Pink could shut down the colony and abandon it. Unfortunately, Pink only had one colony, likely a comparably small force of gems, and lacked political backing and experience.

I think it is notable that Pink made excuses and apparently asked Blue and Yellow if she could leave. Because "it's too hard." She never said "this is my colony and my gems. I am law here." As such, Blue and Yellow thought Pink was giving up and then tried in their harsh way to teach her. Blue gave Pink a very bad pep talk. When that hurt Pink, Blue comforted by saying she is too powerful to be frightened of a Quartz, and that Pink's gems are competent enough to crush the rebellion and finish the colony.

Blue Abridged Version: Pink, you wanted a colony, now you're giving up? Don't be such a wishy-washy coward. A Quartz is not dangerous... by the way, being a Diamond is sooo easy.

edited 10th May '18 7:32:38 PM by SilentColossus

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#54519: May 10th 2018 at 7:50:01 PM

[up] To some extent it feels like Gems within the same caste may be ranked, at least in practice if not de jure by seniority.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54520: May 10th 2018 at 7:56:52 PM

Pink Diamond's a pretty good example of how a decent and capable person with good intentions can still fuck everything up.

edited 10th May '18 7:57:12 PM by M84

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Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#54521: May 10th 2018 at 10:38:35 PM

Sooo, what would happen if Lars enters Lion's mane and tries to get out trough his own head?

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
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#54523: May 11th 2018 at 12:28:01 AM

[up][up] Wasn't sure how to phrase it, so I just copied this from the Trivia page:

  • Shrug of God:
    • Writers Ben Levin and Matt Burnett were once asked what would happen if post-resurrection Lars went into Lion's Pocket Dimension, then went through the other portal that comes out of Lars' own head. Both admitted to not considering such a strange situation, but theorize things like Lars creating a Recursive Reality or duplicating himself.

I like the Recursive Reality idea myself.

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azul120 Since: Jan, 2001
#54524: May 11th 2018 at 1:13:26 AM

[up][up][up]Being John Malkovich perhaps?

Rose's Be Yourself MO makes more sense given how little control she was given as Pink Diamond.

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#54525: May 11th 2018 at 3:02:10 AM

> I was surprised by how big Pink actually was. Much smaller than the other Diamonds, yes, but I thought she was supposed to just be the size of a large human, but she wasn't. Rose was the size of a really tall human, and Pink in her true form was much bigger than Rose

Same,there's an inconstancy in regards to her height,before we saw Pearl's memories we had two major flashbacks,the moon flashback made her look like a small child and the one on the Junglemoon made her roughly Stevonnie's height

I suppose one explanation is that Steven being an empath meant he picked up on feelings of her past memories,and in those she felt small and weak,where as Pearl's memories are more accurate

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