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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54477: May 10th 2018 at 1:11:58 PM

I could see their Gems underlings doing all the legwork while they focus on expanding the number of kindergartens,tyrants rarely do any of the work themselves but reap the benefits of other's labour

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54478: May 10th 2018 at 1:29:18 PM

I doubt the interpretation of Pink was a puppet king and her sisters ran the show.

I think what Blue meant was that as a Diamond, she just had to present a strong image and be there for her subjects, the loyal Gems could keep the machine running.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54479: May 10th 2018 at 1:31:01 PM

It reminded me of what Yellow told Blue when she was mourning at the Zoo. Diamonds lead, that's what they do, and it's what all the other Gems need and expect of them.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54480: May 10th 2018 at 1:32:43 PM

[up][up][up] The Gempire is a weird sort of hyper-collectivist kind of oppressive though; in theory every single gem up to and including the Diamonds are cogs in the State apparatus manufactured for a single lifelong purpose, and one of the reasons they've been having issues since the end of the rebellion is Blue Diamond being too depressed to rule her part of the Empire, hence Peridot's remark that Yellow Diamond controls all the armies of homeworld.

edited 10th May '18 1:32:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#54481: May 10th 2018 at 1:32:53 PM

[up]x3 Yeah, that's what I assumed too. Blue's point seemed to be that Pink should show that she is unfazed by this little rebellion and that her Gems would fight and keep the colony going.

edited 10th May '18 1:33:27 PM by DeathsApprentice

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54482: May 10th 2018 at 1:39:02 PM

Also, despite Pink being established as shortsighted and not thinking things through, her plan is utter insanity if Blue and Yellow were actually running the colony in her name.

I think Blue and Yellow were somewhat removed overseers of her progress (which was not up to their standard, hence their talks).

Pink probably figured that if she died, then the colony would collapse on its own, as the loyal gems would be demoralized and the machine would stop working.

With the complete collapse of the colony, Blue and Yellow, who she thought didn't care about her or the planet in itself, would just abandon the project.

Boy she was wrong.

edited 10th May '18 1:41:04 PM by MrSeyker

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#54483: May 10th 2018 at 1:58:17 PM

It would appear that some of the few things she didn't have the authority to do were shutting down the colony or abdicating her position.

Hell, the idea of a diamond abdicating was probably just about unheard of, considering Homeworld's hardline "no, stick to your role" attitude. Diamonds are made to rule; what would a Diamond without authority even be?

edited 10th May '18 1:59:06 PM by Enlong

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54484: May 10th 2018 at 1:58:55 PM

"It was a calculated risk but boy am I bad at math"

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#54485: May 10th 2018 at 2:07:04 PM

I honestly don't see how to interpret that scene as anything as other than showing that Pink doesn't have power. Blue literally said she didn't need to do anything. Doing anything is not what was ever expected from Pink. Not to mention the whole scene is about Pink being chastising for wanting to pull away. If she actually had the power to simply abandon the colony she would have done so.

I mean, it is not like Blue and Yellow need to literally be running things themselves for that to hold true. Pink could still be the one nominally giving the orders. It is just that Blue and Yellow clearly have the higher say and can undo anything Pink does. So Pink can do some mostly meaningless things, like creating a zoo or even stalling the colonization process. But she can't actually change course because Blue and Yellow would stop her.

I think Blue and Yellow were somewhat removed overseers of her progress (which was not up to their standard, hence their talks).

But that is what I am talking about. As long as Blue is doing any overseeing, Pink doesn't have full control because they have authority over her. Either Pink keeps appearance of maintaining the colony or the other Diamonds take over.

But even then it is still Pink's colony, not Yellow or Blues. So Rose, incorrectly, assumed they wouldn't bother anymore if Pink died.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54486: May 10th 2018 at 2:10:04 PM

Even if Pink didn't have total control to end things (seems fairly concrete), that's not the same thing as her simply being a figurehead or not having any knowledge or say in the political strategies against the rebellion.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#54487: May 10th 2018 at 2:11:18 PM

We can infer that Pink was only begrudgingly given a planet and once she hit setbacks Blue and Yellow just moved in sighing like "we knew you weren't ready"

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#54488: May 10th 2018 at 2:20:33 PM

[up][up]That wasn't what I said, though. I was objecting to the notion she was in control of both sides. She wasn't. She didn't have control over the Homeworld forces because, at very least, she couldn't control Yellow's and Blue's armies. And I question she actually had full control over her own forces considering the way Blue talked to her.

But I do think she was not completely removed from the war. As I said, her position did likely help a whole lot in the rebellion. I just don't think it is as straightforward as her playing a fake war against herself.

[up]Yeah, that is basically the vibe I got.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54489: May 10th 2018 at 2:23:25 PM

I took it more as the Diamonds having a more decadent, or at least blase' approach to ruling before Pink's "death." The entire speech as a "let them eat cake" sort of vibe. "They're just rabble, don't bother with them. Just smile and nod, and people will fall before your authority." They've never had to deal with a rebel presence so significant that it required any actual attention.

It's less that "don't worry about these rebels, let us take care of it," it's more "you shouldn't be having problems with these rebels at all, since when has that ever been a credible problem for a Diamond?" They're belittling her ability in lieu of taking her issues seriously, not closing her out of dealing with it.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#54490: May 10th 2018 at 2:36:58 PM

I mean, even if that was the case, it still doesn't change Pink's position in relation to the other Diamonds. They are still there and still have authority over her, so she can't actually do as she pleases on Earth.

Also, I just thought in another evidence they were the ones trying to handle the rebellion. In The Answer Blue is the one to fight the Crystal Gems, with Pink's forces nowhere to be seen. Saphire was even explicitly sent there to investigate the rebellion.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54491: May 10th 2018 at 2:37:07 PM

Alternatively, they could have been telling her "you do your job, inspire and reassure the gems that serve you, and they'll do theirs and quell this rebellion." Given how Homeworld and Gem culture sounds it's not our of character.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54492: May 10th 2018 at 2:40:03 PM

Pink didn't get a colony until she threw a tantrum about it.

What was her job before she did that? Just curing gems while following her sisters around? Why would she be with Yellow and not Blue, or not on Homeworld.

...randomly, I have the wild mass guess that the Diamonds get bigger with every world they conquer.

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#54493: May 10th 2018 at 2:47:55 PM

I could see her originally just staying in Homeworld all the time until she started throwing tantrums about wanting to go off planet with the others. Then she saw them working and decided she wanted that as well.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54494: May 10th 2018 at 2:54:32 PM

I don't think Blue and Yellow's armies participated. Not until the very end at least. The only known veterans of the conflict were in Pink's court.

I do think Pink controlled the colony. She just had no power to do things the way she wanted.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#54495: May 10th 2018 at 3:04:29 PM

Pink was probably supposed to be learning how to lead a colony by being in the room while Yellow conducted operations. Except she pissed Yellow off by trying to get involved in everything and tantruming instead of watching and learning.

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#54496: May 10th 2018 at 3:04:48 PM

[up][up]Ruby and Saphire are veterans of the conflict. And they are from Blue's court. Admittedly, we aren't entirely sure when that happened, but it gotta to be before Bismuth went "MIA". And it seem unlikely Bismuth was bubbled after Pink got "shattered", or she would have mention it when arguing for shattering Homeworld gems.

But, yeah, I agree Pink had no power to do things the way she wanted.

edited 10th May '18 3:07:57 PM by Heatth

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#54497: May 10th 2018 at 3:07:34 PM

The Diamonds probably have a template of how to make colonies and deviating from that, especially when it's your first colony, is a no-no.

I generally have incredibly little sympathy for Pink Diamond but deviating from the plan was probably not allowed.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#54498: May 10th 2018 at 3:16:23 PM

We don't know anything about Blue and Yellow's origins but I'd guess they were "born" being more "mature" and able to get to making colonies right away give or take

And neither Yellow or Blue had the patience to deal with a Diamond that didn't

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54499: May 10th 2018 at 3:29:38 PM

I had the idea that in addition to the emotions the Diamonds represented The Hecate Sisters.

Pink is the Maiden, Blue is the Matron and Yellow is the Crone.

Pink is youthful and naive, Blue is motherly and emotive, and Yellow is bitter and commanding.

White may just be the Overcommander.

edited 10th May '18 3:29:56 PM by Keybreak

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54500: May 10th 2018 at 4:18:44 PM

We know Pink had her own armies committed to the fight because of the existence of Jasper and Eyeball - Jasper especially, whose backstory gives us the only real glimpse of how armies on Homeworld work, was the pride of an entire grown military force loyal only to Pink.

Generally speaking, it seems that while Blue and possibly Yellow were present for the duration of the war (or at the very least a large chunk that encompassed Garnet's / Ruby / Sapphire's part in things), presumably to pick up Pink's slack given their conversation, everything we've been told said that it was still very much Pink's colony. Pink was primarily fighting a war against herself, not specifically against the other Diamonds.

edited 10th May '18 4:23:31 PM by KnownUnknown


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