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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54301: May 9th 2018 at 8:31:44 AM

With the ominous unseen Bigger Bad, BLACK DIAMOND.

Where is White Diamond? Kidnapped by Black. And the Diamonds are colonizing worlds to cluster them all together to take her on in the middle of the galaxy. wild mass guess

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54302: May 9th 2018 at 8:35:03 AM

[up] Lol. If anything isn't Smoky Quartz actually a black diamond, considering they're actually a diamond fusion?

edited 9th May '18 8:35:14 AM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54303: May 9th 2018 at 8:37:46 AM

If we assume that the Diamonds each embody one or two stages of Grief, then by process of elimination, White Diamond is Acceptance. Which I guess means she's probably out colonizing and overseeing instead of stewing in anger or depression.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54304: May 9th 2018 at 8:38:07 AM

Smoky Diamond. ;p

But that's not as cool as a MASSIVE FUSION FIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GALAXY.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54305: May 9th 2018 at 8:43:04 AM

[up][up] Possibly, or perhaps she really didn't care (or pretended not to care) outside of the context of the damage Pink's shattering did to the Diamond Authority's legitimacy. I still think White Diamond already knows what really happens, via our Pearl (a gift to Pink Diamond from White) serving as an unwitting mole.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#54306: May 9th 2018 at 8:46:33 AM

I don't know if this has been brought up, but can we talk about how radically Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz was changed by her experiences on earth?

Before:

After:

It barely seems like the same person.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54307: May 9th 2018 at 8:55:27 AM

I mean, Garnet asks Rose a ton of questions, Rose says 'No more questions," then Garnet explicitly says she can't ask a question of Steven and Amethyst, even though she'd like to. There's clearly something going on, even if it's not the same thing Pearl went through.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54308: May 9th 2018 at 9:04:00 AM

With the ominous unseen Bigger Bad, BLACK DIAMOND.
Smoky Diamond. ;p
A black or just darker shade of diamond would be called a Bort

They're darker lower grade diamonds that are used in drill bits and other things.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#54309: May 9th 2018 at 9:04:40 AM

With the ominous unseen Bigger Bad, BLACK DIAMOND.

No, wait, lemme do you one better. Neil Diamond.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#54310: May 9th 2018 at 9:05:02 AM

I don't know why Rose not being a Quartz changed anything about her fusions. The fusion's Gem type is actually usually unrelated to their compenents.

Actually when asked about it, in the Fusions podcast, the Crewniverse said fusions pick thier own names. Rose could have consciously decided to reinforce her alleged Gem type by constantly naming her fusions after Quartz varieties.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
unexplainedEnemy from hell pit Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#54311: May 9th 2018 at 9:10:43 AM

I saw the moment in Know Your Fusion with Garnet saying she couldn't ask a question as just a meta-joke referencing that she's written as the most all-knowing of the gems, so would be the least likely to ask questions. But in terms of Rose telling her "No more questions", I thought that was more in the context of not questioning her existence as a fusion, and just accepting it, rather than "can't ask any questions about anything ever".

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54312: May 9th 2018 at 9:15:50 AM

Possibly, or perhaps she really didn't care (or pretended not to care) outside of the context of the damage Pink's shattering did to the Diamond Authority's legitimacy. I still think White Diamond already knows what really happens, via our Pearl (a gift to Pink Diamond from White) serving as an unwitting mole.

I don't know if that would work with Pearl basically being made physically unable to talk about it. At least she wouldn't be able to hear about how Pink Diamond was shattered from Pearl after that. Now that that viewing orb thing has been brought up, if White knew anything I think it'd be from an intergalactic version of that probably. I think that kind of surveillance could be a theme for her character too.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#54313: May 9th 2018 at 9:18:04 AM

[up][up] One of the creators already stated that only pearls are programmed to follow orders against their will.

edited 9th May '18 9:18:25 AM by Kaiseror

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54314: May 9th 2018 at 9:26:11 AM

[up][up] I was thinking being able to literally access Pearl's memories and possibly going as far as having a Villain Override lying around for a rainy day. That might also be White's Diamond powers rather than some sort of surveillance technology.

It would be an interesting subversion of Orcus on His Throne for White Diamond to be perfectly aware of what our heroes have been doing, and be working against them unseen in the background.

edited 9th May '18 9:27:37 AM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54315: May 9th 2018 at 9:41:54 AM

I dunno. Unlike the Rose = Pink thing, there is zero foreshadowing for that. It's pure wild mass guess.

Heck, you could also guess that maybe White, being the first Diamond, has a psychic connection to the other Diamonds. Meaning she's actually using Steven's Gem to spy.

edited 9th May '18 9:43:16 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54316: May 9th 2018 at 9:49:11 AM

[up] I wouldn't say entirely zero in show basis for WD being able to do something like that; it fits with the general theme of the other Diamond's powers for White to have some sort of mental based manipulation/clairvoyant abilities, or both given the large number of powers Steven has.

Then there was that weird moment in Steven's dream in Cant Go Back where Pearl's shadow looks at the camera and the negative space from her gem/eyes happen to look a lot like White Diamond's face in her mural.

edited 9th May '18 9:51:24 AM by CaptainCapsase

dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54317: May 9th 2018 at 10:17:04 AM

[up]x11 Several millennia 's worth of Becoming the Mask would probably do that to a person. But yeah, I'm hoping we get to see a flashback to the time when she first created the "Rose" persona.

Honestly this whole twist is staring to remind me of Metal Gear Solid V's ending.

edited 9th May '18 10:17:42 AM by dmysta3000

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54318: May 9th 2018 at 10:39:57 AM

I mean, Garnet asks Rose a ton of questions, Rose says 'No more questions," then Garnet explicitly says she can't ask a question of Steven and Amethyst, even though she'd like to. There's clearly something going on, even if it's not the same thing Pearl went through.
I'm not in a position to re watch the answer, but are you so certain it's can not ask questions as opposed to does not ask questions?

The "I can't" from Know Your Fusions is odd, but aside from that I feel like you're assuming Facts Not In Evidence here.

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#54319: May 9th 2018 at 10:39:59 AM

When I saw RQ turn into PD, I thought she was just shapeshifting to look like her, like how we had just seen Pearl shapeshifted into RQ. (AWESOME use of Pearl's first shown shapeshift, btw) Then with the dialogue, I was like "wait a minute…" and rewinded to the start of the scene.

I had the idea before "Can't Go Back" that Pearl was actually the one who did the deed, using her position as PD's pearl to get close to her, based on the "Where was her Pearl?!" scene from "The Trial" and Pearl being unable to say something. Then Steven has that vision, puts the pieces together quickly, and outright asks Pearl if she did it, so that's off the table as the big reveal of the episode. Then we see the second last memory layer, and RQ with Pearl's eyes! They've been saving Pearl shapeshifting for a big moment, and this was definitely it. So Pearl did do it, but she did it while disguised as RQ… for some reason they had to make it look like RQ was the one who did it? Then the last memory. RQ and Pearl are discussing the plan. Some of the dialogue tickles at me, but not enough to stop and think about it. (There was that "can't exactly shatter myself", but I thought she was speaking from an in-cover story perspective.) Then RQ turns into PD, which I thought was part of the set-up, impersonating PD. Then that "last order" bit, and wait a sec…

The reveals… they have layers, like onions.

Now I'm rewatching the end. The way Pearl says "I wanted to tell you for so long." [1]

edited 9th May '18 11:22:22 AM by Twiddler

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54320: May 9th 2018 at 11:03:24 AM

I mean, Garnet asks Rose a ton of questions, Rose says 'No more questions," then Garnet explicitly says she can't ask a question of Steven and Amethyst, even though she'd like to. There's clearly something going on, even if it's not the same thing Pearl went through.

This only follows if you ignore the actual context of what Rose was saying or thinking that Garnet literally being forced to never ask a question about anything for thousands of years is something no one would have a problem with or question. Or couldn't track back to Rose.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#54321: May 9th 2018 at 11:32:30 AM

I think Garnet followed the request out of respect for Rose, not because she was compelled to. This might mean she'd be more willing to ask questions now that she's getting the Broken Pedestal treatment.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#54322: May 9th 2018 at 11:42:25 AM

IIRC, in one of the SU podcast episodes, Rebecca Sugar mentioned something about a pact Garnet had with Rose to not ask questions. And she mentioned that it would be explained more in a future episode.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54324: May 9th 2018 at 11:49:51 AM

So she never even uses a questioning tone?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54325: May 9th 2018 at 11:54:00 AM

Regarding Sapphire's Broken Pedestal thing, I really hope they go all out with that; to to the point of saying some really awful things about "Rose" (which are not entirely undeserved, but verge into in-universe Ron the Death Eater territory), Pearl (who didn't have a choice in the matter), and even going as far as to take it out on Steven (who obviously is blameless in all of this), and this arc should conclude with Sapphire apologizing to Steven, forgiving Pearl and agreeing that they need to move forwards but not forgiving Pink Diamond's deception.

edited 9th May '18 11:57:10 AM by CaptainCapsase


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