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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54276: May 8th 2018 at 11:18:01 PM

This post is making me question how actual diamond facets work

(Tbh I think the side facets and the top facets are two different things, but I'm not entirely sure)

Edit: yeah, went to find a gif of her gem turning over, and the sides just have more facets compared to the top.

edited 8th May '18 11:38:26 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54277: May 8th 2018 at 11:25:20 PM

So I guess all of the stories of Pink Diamond being a tyrant that Garnet told were actually stories "Rose" told her to make her Diamond self seem even worse as part of an ongoing propaganda campaign to stir up rebellion. And Garnet ate them up partly due to her own bad experiences with Blue Diamond and projecting them on to Pink Diamond.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54278: May 9th 2018 at 12:31:08 AM

[up][up] That was the biggest reason why I dismissed the theory. But design inconsistencies are not a rare sight in this show, and I'm pretty sure it was an enforced one, to make the reveal not immedately evident.

Cheap? Sure, but it kept the surprise for anyone not convinced from day 1.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#54279: May 9th 2018 at 12:55:57 AM

Of all the inconsistencies with the shows art, that seems like small potatoes to be completely honest[lol]

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54280: May 9th 2018 at 2:24:31 AM

Question: How do people feel about twist?

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#54281: May 9th 2018 at 2:28:22 AM

Very well handled so far, which is important as it is such a big context changer. But uneasy with certain implications. I need to see more before judging it fully, we barely scratched the surface.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54282: May 9th 2018 at 2:41:17 AM

Lots and lots and lots of Fridge Horror. On the plus side, it makes rewatching the series that much more interesting. Just try to rewatch the thing from the beginning and mentally replace every appearance of Rose with Pink Diamond.

edited 9th May '18 2:42:25 AM by M84

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54283: May 9th 2018 at 3:32:32 AM

[up][up][up] I'm into it, though right now I'm more interested in how everyone in the show is going to react to it.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54284: May 9th 2018 at 3:35:37 AM

Say Whaaaaa-

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54285: May 9th 2018 at 4:58:38 AM

I re-watched "The Answer" and Rose says to Garnet "No more questions. Don't ever question this." We all remember the second part, but I had forgotten the part where she specifically said "No more questions." I don't think Rose knew she was giving a command that Garnet HAD to follow. Though in that scene in "Know your Fusion," where Garnet says she can't ask Steven and Amethyst what they're doing, I get the feeling that Garnet may not have known why she couldn't ask questions, but Pearl definitely did. Also, In "The Answer," Garnet talks about her feelings to Rose, and Rose answers, "Welcome to Earth," a phrase Garnet would later quote to Peridot at the end of "Back to the Barn."

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54286: May 9th 2018 at 5:09:38 AM

Garnet seemed to take just about everything Rose told her at face value, including the image of Pink Diamond as a cruel overseer Rose painted for her. It helps that Garnet herself never really knew Pink Diamond on a personal level and was likely influenced by her own experiences with Blue Diamond. She was really into the "heroic rebel" narrative of Rose Quartz.

And now? She finds out it was all a lie. A well-intentioned lie perhaps, but a lie nonetheless.

edited 9th May '18 5:10:23 AM by M84

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54287: May 9th 2018 at 5:20:00 AM

I'm just loving the whole Rewatch Bonus it gives to scenes like this.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54288: May 9th 2018 at 5:30:32 AM

Re: Rose's possible Compelling Voice, this Ask linked to in the spoiler thread states it's something specific to Pearls and their masters.

edited 9th May '18 5:30:49 AM by sgamer82

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54289: May 9th 2018 at 5:37:17 AM

Yeah, any rebellion against a Diamond would be impossible if they could just order any Gem around like that.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#54290: May 9th 2018 at 5:55:58 AM

I actually really liked the twist (ironically when I first heard of the Rose is Pink Diamond theory I quickly dismissed it) but I know some people who hate the twist.

edited 9th May '18 5:56:31 AM by Kaiseror

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54291: May 9th 2018 at 6:11:13 AM

And TBF, it's not like the twist came out of nowhere. As others have mentioned, and as the trope pages mention, there was a lot of foreshadowing.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54292: May 9th 2018 at 6:40:10 AM

I kept saying that Rose wasn't Pink Diamond because her gem was obviously not a diamond.

Turning the gem was just the trolliest thing.

But hey, Rose ISN'T Pink Diamond...she said so herself. And Earth is her colony, she has the final say. ;p

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54293: May 9th 2018 at 6:53:49 AM

[up] I went NUTS when her gem turned over, man.

That reveal was brilliant.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54294: May 9th 2018 at 6:57:21 AM

My first thought was "Wait, they can do that?"

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#54295: May 9th 2018 at 6:58:20 AM

Her gem rotating was so simple yet no one even considered it.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54296: May 9th 2018 at 7:02:54 AM

But if giving orders like that is specific to Pearl's then why is Garnet physically unable to ask questions only after Rose told her "No more questions"?

It's obvious now, but Steven's "vision" at that base on the jungle moon, and on Earth's moon base aren't a new power that let Steven see stuff that had happened there in the past due to his proximity to the area, it was because he was seeing stuff from Rose's life because he has her gem.

From the very beginning of this show we've had a lot of mysteries. Stuff that was hinted at, but weren't revealed to Steven for a while. Like, when we started we didn't know there was a Gem War, we didn't know what Rose looked like, we didn't know Garnet was a fusion. But now I think we finally know everything. I don't think that there's anything significant in the past that we don't know about.

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#54297: May 9th 2018 at 7:10:41 AM

> I don't think that there's anything significant in the past that we don't know about.

Well there's the mystery how Amethyst was found,that's the one which be cleared up next I think

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54298: May 9th 2018 at 7:23:26 AM

But if giving orders like that is specific to Pearl's then why is Garnet physically unable to ask questions only after Rose told her "No more questions"?
Was Garnet physically incapable of asking anything, or is that just something we're assuming?

Also, wasn't there a big honking portrait of Rose Quartz above the front door since episode 1?

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54299: May 9th 2018 at 7:37:14 AM

[up] People are just assuming, I believe. My personal theory is that wild mass guess this next arc is going to end with Garnet asking a question. wild mass guess

As for the portrait, it's always been there, there just wasn't a lot of focus on it. Also we did get that picture of Rose and Greg in the second episode anyway, so it's not like it matters much.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54300: May 9th 2018 at 8:10:30 AM

I loved the reveal, and I'm super excited about all the implications and fallout that's about to come.

Took one character I was very intrigued about and one character I never really cared about all that much and turned them into one of my favourites in the story.

So much in past episodes is turned on its head and gets better context with this detail.

Now gimme my big happy Diamond family, Sucrose.


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