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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54251: May 8th 2018 at 6:34:37 PM

Is it okay if I talk about those French episode titles from a while back? I think I just realized something about them...

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54252: May 8th 2018 at 6:56:08 PM

You know, this got me thinking. Have there been any instances of Pearl speaking ill of Pink (outside of by association with the zoo)?

Because it occurs to me that it is always Garnet that bad talks about Pink.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54253: May 8th 2018 at 6:59:23 PM

No. There haven't been many instances where Pink Diamond has been brought up either though.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54254: May 8th 2018 at 7:05:10 PM

Part of me wonders if she could have gotten better results if she had just led the rebellion as herself from the start. None of those "Rose Quartz" shenanigans. But then the Crystal Gems would probably have still kept worshipping her, which is something I'm guessing she was starting to dislike. Sure she wanted to free Earth. But she also wanted to free herself from being a Diamond.

On another note, this makes Rose taking in Amethyst sadder on another level. She almost certainly did it out of both sympathy and guilt. Amethyst only exists as an Off-Color Gem because the Kindergarten under Pink Diamond's watch messed up. Pink Diamond Rose probably felt responsible for Amethyst being what she is. And she could probably sympathize with being a lot smaller than the rest of her own Gem type.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54255: May 8th 2018 at 7:06:53 PM

It becomes a question of how many of her Gems would have kept following her because of their personal loyalty to her as their Diamond, and how many would side with Homeworld as a whole.

edited 8th May '18 7:11:10 PM by LSBK

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54256: May 8th 2018 at 7:10:48 PM

I guess some of them might have seen it as a power play on Pink Diamond's part too — breaking away from Homeworld just to start her own empire. Some of them might have been all for it too.

edited 8th May '18 7:11:29 PM by M84

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54257: May 8th 2018 at 7:13:14 PM

[up] Yeah; openly defying the other diamonds would bring the same problematic dynamic that exists in her relationship with Pearl to the rebellion as a whole, with the gems following her not because they believe in their cause but because good gems follow orders.

edited 8th May '18 7:34:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#54258: May 8th 2018 at 7:31:46 PM

[up] Which I think sounds great and is something someone should explore in a fanfic right now or as soon as the serie is over.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54259: May 8th 2018 at 7:38:30 PM

It's pretty obvious that Pink Diamond was more or less sick of being a Diamond. She didn't want to rule over anyone anymore. There's an almost apologetic tone in her voice when she uses her authority as a Diamond one last time to impose a geas on Pearl.

Pink Diamond strikes me as having some self-esteem issues. No wonder her solution was to immerse herself completely in an alter ego. Heck, her self-esteem issues are probably not too different from Amethyst's, which is probably why she always told Amethyst she was perfect the way she was.

edited 8th May '18 7:40:45 PM by M84

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#54260: May 8th 2018 at 7:50:07 PM

That episode preview was the furthest thing from fair.

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54261: May 8th 2018 at 8:13:24 PM

[up] Same.

Some of Hilary's boards for "A Single Pale Rose" ! And some post-it and scrap paper drawings. Also, the PD reveal was boarded by Rebecca in the actual episode according to Hilary.

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#54262: May 8th 2018 at 8:30:34 PM

News; even before The Reveal Rose was apparently intended to be a villain:

https://player.fm/series/the-steven-universe-podcast/earth-gems-rebecca-sugar-ian-jones-quartey-joe-johnston-and-kat-morries-vol2ep7

I'll be adding her Moral Event Horizon and Big Bad entries that were deleted when I have the time.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54263: May 8th 2018 at 8:32:58 PM

Pretty sure you should hold off on that. Like, what would the Moral Event Horizon even be? And she just flatly isn't the Big Bad of the story.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54264: May 8th 2018 at 8:33:13 PM

Villain wins...?

Take it.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54265: May 8th 2018 at 8:34:02 PM

[up][up][up]Would those entries apply when she's not actually a villain or Big Bad nor really crossed a Moral Event Horizon?

edited 8th May '18 8:34:26 PM by sgamer82

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54266: May 8th 2018 at 8:34:07 PM

Uhh, didn't they just call her a horrible person, not a villain?

And isn't Moral Event Horizon a YMMV trope?

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#54267: May 8th 2018 at 8:34:35 PM

Putting Rose as the Big Bad is flat out misuse.

edited 8th May '18 8:34:53 PM by dragonfire5000

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54268: May 8th 2018 at 8:36:44 PM

Though I like how Steven started trying to live up to his mom and for awhile now it's seems like he's been trying to do the opposite. And not out of spite or anything just because, yeah, Rose was not the best person to emulate for...a lot of things.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54269: May 8th 2018 at 8:37:47 PM

I think a lot of Steven's Development is going to come down to being better than Rose ever was, just like Bismuth said. I think, at worst, if Steven screws up his screw-ups will go int he opposite direction rather than long the same "thoughtless, don't think things through" way he did a lot of early on.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54270: May 8th 2018 at 9:04:16 PM

Now I'm starting to wonder if we need to re-arrange the Character trope lists for Rose Quartz and Pink Diamond on the Steven Universe Character pages.

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Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#54271: May 8th 2018 at 9:07:35 PM

It would be an exelent take that towards her if steven explicitly states that hes he's gonna try not to be like her; or maybe not, since I think that's what rose wanted.

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54272: May 8th 2018 at 9:15:34 PM

[up][up] I wondering what was going to happen to their characters pages after this reveal.

Also this is unrelated, but I was reading through "A Single Pale Rose"'s recap page, had an epiphany, and now I'm like 99% sure that the Fusion from "Historical Friction" is Rose and Garnet's Fusion. I was very sure of it beforehand, but now I'm absolutely sure.

edited 8th May '18 9:16:52 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#54273: May 8th 2018 at 9:16:41 PM

You mean Garnet, right? NVM. Already fixed it.

edited 8th May '18 9:16:56 PM by RhymeBeat

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#54274: May 8th 2018 at 9:18:16 PM

Yeah, Garnet. Stupid autocorrect...

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54275: May 8th 2018 at 10:38:18 PM

I also appreciate the bitter irony of Pearl's situation. Her original cover story was that she was a defective Pearl who belonged to no one when she was actually the personal Pearl of a Diamond. After "Rose" died giving birth to Steven, she really didn't belong to anyone anymore.

edited 8th May '18 10:39:08 PM by M84

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