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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54176: May 8th 2018 at 12:31:52 PM

I didnt' find it surprising, but it is how the plot works. Like that is the plot they set up. Not surprising =/= not new.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#54177: May 8th 2018 at 12:32:19 PM

Okay from someone who hasn't watched anything past like, Season 2, wasn't this already obvious?

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#54178: May 8th 2018 at 12:32:22 PM

So now Steven's mother is twice as responsible for the corrupting light.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#54179: May 8th 2018 at 12:33:37 PM

[up] In her defense, we don't know if Pink Diamond/Rose knew about the corruption weapon or whether the diamonds intended to use it on earth.

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#54180: May 8th 2018 at 12:34:01 PM

But Pink wasn't the one who shined it.

Her sisters are just big meanies.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54181: May 8th 2018 at 12:34:58 PM

Considering how much I love Pink, Yellow and Blue, I would consider them perfect characters.

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#54182: May 8th 2018 at 12:35:02 PM

Something confused me a bit. Didn't Eyeball mentionned that she saw Rose shattering Pink Diamond yet she's absent in the flashback?

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54183: May 8th 2018 at 12:35:29 PM

My assumption is since Pearl didn't see her, she's not actually there. Since I assume it's not a perfect vision?

edited 8th May '18 12:35:39 PM by MrAHR

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#54184: May 8th 2018 at 12:35:58 PM

[up][up][up][up]Well, what the fuck did she think was going to happen? Her sisters would just go "So scary, let's run away!"?

edited 8th May '18 12:37:24 PM by HextarVigar

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#54185: May 8th 2018 at 12:37:58 PM

I wonder if Rose's command to Pearl will be called out as being completely fucked up, and if Pearl will ever realize that.

Also, I loved how Pearl's Mental World works. Burying her trauma and covering it with order and perfectionism is 100% how she thinks. As she said; she compartmentalizes; everything bad gets put away.

Also, Jasper is going to find out about all of this, and probably become the biggest Steven worshiper in existence, perhaps before realizing Pink betrayed her.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54186: May 8th 2018 at 12:38:23 PM

Right, can't fault an imperialist race for imperializing. :P

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54187: May 8th 2018 at 12:39:50 PM

[up][up][up] You could ask the same question, if the original story was true. They might have expected retaliation, but it's been made clear that the Corruption Wave was just something no one saw coming. I'd be surprised if she even know about it.

[down] That implies it even was a weapon. It just seemed like the three of them using Your Powers Combined.

edited 8th May '18 12:41:15 PM by LSBK

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#54188: May 8th 2018 at 12:40:02 PM

@54180: Well, again, we don't know if she knew about the weapon at all. She was pretty unimportant compared to her sisters so it makes sense that she'd be kept out of the loop about stuff.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#54189: May 8th 2018 at 12:46:44 PM

One thing I'm left wondering after all this is, just how much did all of the various things she did as Pink Diamond weigh on Rose's mind? Noting, of course, that this might be a sliding scale - maybe the whole "human zoo" thing didn't bother her at all around the time of the rebellion, but it may have gnawed on her millennia later. I could also see it as something that echoed to her as time went on - her actions may have thrown the entire Rose Quartz caste under the bus for selfish reasons - did she come to regret that? How much guilt did she feel over bubbling Bismuth (though we've been wondering that from pretty much the beginning)? How much did it affect her that probably hundreds of gems were affected by The Corruption because of the other Diamonds' reaction to her "shattering"?

This, relatedly, is why I'm personally somewhat reticent to say a blanket Lack of Empathy cite should apply to Rose. I'll totally grant that early on for Rose back when she was PD, it was appropriate. But part of me feels that, whether it happen by chance or it was a successful attempt at Becoming the Mask, Rose did develop empathy as time went on. Of course, that's in no small part because Rose always struck me as having elements of Death Seeker - it strikes me as a reasonable reason as to how she became one.

As for the idea that White Diamond is actually a fusion between Blue and Yellow Diamonds, eh... I've gone back and forth on what I think of the idea, but since "Your Mother And Mine," which showed a white hand next to a blue and yellow one (when clearly indicating the Diamonds... although since that was a story from Garnet, I'll admit that Unreliable Narrator is in effect), I've been inclined to think that WD is her own entity.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54190: May 8th 2018 at 12:48:21 PM

Rose I think does deeply care for people, but doesnt' always understand what sort of information she's getting. Very High Compassion, but not very high Emotional Intelligence, imo.

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#54191: May 8th 2018 at 12:49:53 PM

Rose only has a Lack of Empathy because she doesn't know what it's like to BE human. She just sees those funny little things that look like her and she wants to make them happy.

"I like playing along...whoa oh oh oh oh..."

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#54192: May 8th 2018 at 12:57:47 PM

[up][up]That is my impression as well. And that is not just from the last episode.

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54193: May 8th 2018 at 12:58:31 PM

Yeah that's always been the case, imo. It's the entire point of greg. She realizes that she's missing out on deeper meanings. The new episode definitely showcases why she might be someone who never really had to develop that sense of intelligence in the first place, tho.

edited 8th May '18 12:58:59 PM by MrAHR

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54194: May 8th 2018 at 12:58:39 PM

There's been mention of Bismuth and Jasper, but the character reaction I'm honestly interested in here is Peridot.

She's probably low on most peoples' list because she never met Rose, and has little stake in whether she's one thing or the other. On the other hand, she's probably internalized Rose's ideals better than most and she did it in, when you think about it, pretty much the same way Rose did.

Both willingly threw away their positions and status because they had come to love the Earth and its life. Granted, it was more forced onto Peridot than it was Rose, but Peridot was still out to save the Earth of her own volition even before she called Yellow Diamond a clod.

I could see Peridot coming on to Rose's side even as everyone else is working their way through their respective Broken Pedestals.

edited 8th May '18 1:00:29 PM by sgamer82

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54195: May 8th 2018 at 1:00:54 PM

It could take quite a while to work our way through all the gems. I definitely am excited to see the show process each of their own emotions and logic

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#54196: May 8th 2018 at 1:01:15 PM

As for Eyeball being absent during the flashback, if you listen carefully you'll hear what sounds like a battle in the background. I imagine that since it was Pearl's memory, it was just focused on what was directly around her.

[up][up] I agree, I'd also like to see Peridot's take on this, i'd also like to see her reaction to finding out Steven is half Diamond.

edited 8th May '18 1:04:46 PM by Kaiseror

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54197: May 8th 2018 at 1:06:58 PM

I like that idea very much, sgamer82.

Peridot is perfect for this because she was on both ends of the spectrum. Completely in line with the Homeworld system before Earth, probably the most human out of all the gems seen so far after her redemption.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#54198: May 8th 2018 at 1:07:00 PM

Whole Diamond—she's right there. Just slightly chipped.

That interests me most...Pink broke off some of herself NOT from her gem.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#54199: May 8th 2018 at 1:09:14 PM

probably the most human out of all the gems seen so far after her redemption.

Most human?

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54200: May 8th 2018 at 1:10:47 PM

what amuses me the most about this is how common Evil Mastermind Rose theories were early on. And now we see that to some extent, those theories were correct but... also completely and utterly wrong. She was never a mastermind. As far as I can tell, she was run on her passion and desire for freedom so much so it clouded her judgment, to the point she assumed that the other diamonds wouldn't bother retaliating. Which just makes it all the more tragic, because it wasn't some grand plan that caused this, but a complete misjudging of the situation. For a show that's always run on Emotions, it's very thematically fitting

edited 8th May '18 1:11:55 PM by MrAHR

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