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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54151: May 8th 2018 at 11:56:57 AM

I think White Diamond knows what actually happened to Pink Diamond, and may or may not have clued in Yellow Diamond and explained to her that it was very important for blue to never discover the truth, because there's no way she'd be able to keep it under wraps.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54152: May 8th 2018 at 12:00:15 PM

So, people said that Pink is probably the one who had all the Rose Quartzes bubbled because the bubbles are pink. You know, collective punishment and all. But with this revelation, Pink had to know for a fact that there was no renegade Rose Quartz to collectively punish them for. And unlike with the Corruption Wave, she must have had a full understanding of the situation.

That's actually pretty fucked up.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#54153: May 8th 2018 at 12:04:03 PM

That's still assuming Pink was the one who bubbled them

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54154: May 8th 2018 at 12:05:01 PM

I mean, yes, I mentioned that. It's still fairly likely though.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54155: May 8th 2018 at 12:05:06 PM

[up] It might have been Blue or Yellow's idea rather than Pink's; it's strongly hinted that because of her attachment to the organic life on Earth, Pink was relegated to little more than a figurehead by the other diamonds, who assumed control of the colony operation on her behalf, presumably instructing her subordinates to clear any order she gives through them first; perhaps they ordered them to poof and bubble each other, or perhaps Pink did it because the alternative was all of them being shattered.

edited 8th May '18 12:05:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#54156: May 8th 2018 at 12:05:20 PM

Bubbling the Quartzes was probably better than having them broken, though.

What do you guys think White is? A fusion? A missing leader? That silhouette in a permanent state of "forming" whose entire gem is Homeworld? ;p

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54157: May 8th 2018 at 12:05:53 PM

Hmm...maybe she bubbled them to protect them? So that the other Diamonds and their courts wouldn't find and shatter them first?

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#54158: May 8th 2018 at 12:06:07 PM

[up] Ah. That would make sense.

edited 8th May '18 12:06:37 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54159: May 8th 2018 at 12:07:20 PM

[up][up][up] White definitely isn't a fusion; her gem placement is completely wrong, and no amount of rotations would get around that, more to the point we see her hand in a flashback alongside Blue and Yellow's which was done in the show's art style, which is an indicator that this is something that actually happened rather than a character's interpretation of it. I think she's just an aloof leader who operates behind the scenes rather than openly, and that she actually knows exactly what's been going on with the Earth by virtue of having an unwitting mole in the midst of the C Gs (the Pearl she gave to Pink Diamond as a colonywarming gift) which will force her to take more direct action in the near future.

edited 8th May '18 12:09:24 PM by CaptainCapsase

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54160: May 8th 2018 at 12:08:45 PM

LSBK: late but I disagree. This doesn't reveal new flaws per se, but it recontextualizes all of them, and gives her motivations a new light. So I think treating this as something "new" has merit, because we have to rethink all that we previously knew. Things that we thought might be justified at the time, or there might be a greater good plan going on, we can now go as "...what if she just didn't think it through?"

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54161: May 8th 2018 at 12:08:49 PM

I hope White Diamond is not a fusion. I'm so down for a new (but old) villain.

Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#54162: May 8th 2018 at 12:09:13 PM

My current theory is that the Human Zoo was one of Pink's earlier attempts to preserve humanity before the rebellion, the Quartz purge happened later (not sure by who), and "come back and free the humans and Quartzes after the war ends" was a part of the plan before everything went sideways.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#54163: May 8th 2018 at 12:11:25 PM

Yeah, to me the bubbling of the Rose Quartzes is Pink's way of protecting the innocent gems.

Even today Yellow still wants to see them all shattered, only saved by Blue's desire to protect what little is left of Pink's legacy.

Its a bad situation and unfair to them, but way better than the alternative the diamonds would've demanded back in the day.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54164: May 8th 2018 at 12:12:00 PM

we can now go as "...what if she just didn't think it through?"

I mean, you'd be able to say the same thing if she had actually just shattered Pink, instead of being her. The intend of the actions are almost identical, except for one specific thing pertaining to her. The end result was still something they apparently had no way of predicting.

@White, no, she's not a fusion, she's an individual. They've already shown that conclusively.

edited 8th May '18 12:13:27 PM by LSBK

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54165: May 8th 2018 at 12:13:49 PM

[up][up][up]That's my theory too. However, I'm starting to wonder who the general was in Monster Reunion. Maybe they have something to do with it.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#54166: May 8th 2018 at 12:19:00 PM

I think that Gem resembles Hessionite strongly.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54167: May 8th 2018 at 12:20:04 PM

You could but different characterization implies different reasons for doing things. Flaws take on different meanings thanks to new information. I had no interest in Rose before with her flaws. In this context I do and I think it makes her more flawed because now we know why she did it, and that makes me like her more.

edited 8th May '18 12:20:11 PM by MrAHR

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54168: May 8th 2018 at 12:21:59 PM

Rose wanting to be free was always a thing though. This doesn't fundamentally change that.

If you're more interested now, that's good, I guess, but talking as if the show didn't clearly show she had these same flaws before still doesn't make sense.

edited 8th May '18 12:23:36 PM by LSBK

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54169: May 8th 2018 at 12:22:20 PM

[up][up][up]Oh yeah. I still have yet to play Save the Light.

I guess that means Centipeedle was on the opposing side (which most already knew I assume) and was trapped on Earth when the Diamonds sent their final strike on Earth.

edited 8th May '18 12:23:01 PM by deuteragonist

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54170: May 8th 2018 at 12:23:14 PM

LSBK: ... I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that we now know where she was coming from and what she was escaping from and how she looked at it. That context matters. And changes how we can look at a character. Like, I don't know how you can say this isn't relevant.

it's like how in harry potter, snape was always a bully, but knowing why he's a bully alters how we see him as a character (for better or for worse)

edited 8th May '18 12:24:13 PM by MrAHR

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54171: May 8th 2018 at 12:25:41 PM

I didn't say it was irrelevant. I'm saying your ascribing this to changing Rose's motives and flaws in ways I really don't think it does.

It provides much better context, which is important, but that doesn't change everything else, because she was still after the same things for the (mostly) the same reasons.

edited 8th May '18 12:27:10 PM by LSBK

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#54172: May 8th 2018 at 12:28:29 PM

well most people I've talked to have seen this as changing a lot, due to the complete recontextualization. And like i said, I see this as a positive change. I like the character more. I think it provides more depth. Previous actions that seemed strange to me now make a lot of sense. And part of that recontextualizing is furthering what's been happening in the show since day one.

Which is Rose gets portrayed as a Saint, and then the plot reveals she did shady things.

This episode did the same thing, and thus furthers that plot line, and reveals more of her as a person, and how unperfect she was.

edited 8th May '18 12:30:05 PM by MrAHR

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#54173: May 8th 2018 at 12:28:48 PM

What are you people talking about. Diamonds are flawless.

You're all just trying to attach real-person morals to them.

And Rose Diamond isn't a real person. ;p

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#54174: May 8th 2018 at 12:30:58 PM

Also there's a HUGE difference between a character who kills pink diamond, and a character who fakes her own death and masquerades as her own killer.

Like that alone shows very different conceptual character traits, and thus different possible flaws.

edited 8th May '18 12:31:25 PM by MrAHR

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54175: May 8th 2018 at 12:31:18 PM

I mean, for me I never took "Rose as a saint" at face value to begin with. It was always clear the people talking about her were looking at her through rose-tinted glasses.

And then when they started revealing the imperfections and flaws she had, for some reason people started acting as if she had them was surprising, and I never understood why.


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