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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54126: May 8th 2018 at 9:59:19 AM

I wonder if Did You Just Romance Cthulhu? also deserves an entry.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54127: May 8th 2018 at 10:04:16 AM

The interesting thing the newest episode puts into perspective for me is I always got this sense that Rose saw being a leader as a huge burden. She seemed kind of pained when we see others defer to her, and it seemed to me that a big reason she liked Greg is that Greg didn't treat her that way (Pearl especially still put her on a massive pedestal even after the war ended). Now we see why. She was literally THE Leader of Earth's gems, but she wanted a simpler life instead. And she got just as caught up in the disguise she made for herself as Pearl did. I guess more so, because she ended up throwing her old self away to become her secret identity.

edited 8th May '18 10:08:19 AM by xanderiskander

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54128: May 8th 2018 at 10:09:20 AM

Rose was someone who in the end just wanted to be free.

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54129: May 8th 2018 at 10:13:22 AM

[up]5x I think it applies as well. Although I still think the Judeo-Christian stuff is still there. I remember writing a post a while ago discussing the parallels that Rose and Pearl’s relationship has with Jesus and Peter’s. And the fact that one of the key symbols of Rose is a lion. And don’t even get me started on Lars.

edited 8th May '18 10:15:42 AM by deuteragonist

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54130: May 8th 2018 at 10:25:01 AM

[up] So Lars is Lazarus? Well, they do both start with "L"...

edited 8th May '18 10:25:09 AM by M84

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#54131: May 8th 2018 at 10:32:34 AM

Speaking of symbolism,I noted earlier that Steven is now part of a Trinty,

edited 8th May '18 10:33:05 AM by Ultimatum

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54132: May 8th 2018 at 10:34:17 AM

And if you really want to stretch it, Steven's hair does seem about as fluffy as a lamb.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#54133: May 8th 2018 at 10:36:16 AM

I guess how much Divine Date applies to Greg and Rose's relationship comes down to just how much one credits the Diamonds with actual divinity. It's one of those hair-splitting arguments about how much power does one require in order to be considered divine?

That said, Did You Just Romance Cthulhu? always applied to Greg and Rose's relationship, because that just requires that one party is generally a human or close to human-like (Greg certainly qualifies) and the other party most distinctly is not (regardless of the specifics, Rose was always the hard light manifestation of a sentient space rock that chose a humanoid form for her own convenience).

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54134: May 8th 2018 at 10:44:11 AM

Is it really a Trinity when two of the three are the same single person?

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#54135: May 8th 2018 at 10:45:20 AM

[up] The Christian trinity are just different aspects of the same entity as well, I think. I'm not particularly religious, nor is my family.

edited 8th May '18 10:46:05 AM by CaptainCapsase

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54136: May 8th 2018 at 10:45:47 AM

[up][up][up]I mean, Achilles was considered divine, even though he didn't really have any special powers or divine strength. His feats came from just being a skilled warrior, and having invulnerability everywhere except his heel, because of being dipped in god-water. And that trope does include demi-gods. So in terms of powers I think they should more than count.

edited 8th May '18 11:01:24 AM by xanderiskander

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#54137: May 8th 2018 at 11:06:42 AM

Given some of the entries in Divine Date, what counts as a deity for the purposes of the trope are pretty relaxed.

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#54138: May 8th 2018 at 11:10:28 AM

The Gems are divine because they're made of light. Simple as.

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#54139: May 8th 2018 at 11:20:04 AM

Except not really,to be considered divine you need have some form of omniscience but since they're energy beings they can easily past for divine though

edited 8th May '18 11:20:51 AM by Ultimatum

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#54140: May 8th 2018 at 11:22:48 AM

Most polytheistic gods aren't omniscient, actually. Its a definition kind of reserved for a christian perception of divinity.

I like to think of the Gems as sort of a divine race like the devas from the Hindu and Buddhist traditions this show liked to reference in the first season. They're one step above humanity, but they're not morally perfect.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#54141: May 8th 2018 at 11:24:55 AM

I don't think Gems in general count as divine or as gods. They're living beings like anything else and, agelessness aside, are otherwise mortal.

The Diamonds in particular, maybe, but not in the sense that they're actually gods but in the sense that the Gem populace views them as such.

Also Gems aren't made of light. They're made of their Gems. Their bodies are light, but I can't say that's the same thing as the Gems themselves being made of light, when their gemstone is essentially their core.

edited 8th May '18 11:26:39 AM by sgamer82

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#54142: May 8th 2018 at 11:29:26 AM

Honestly my favorite part of this reveal is that it paints RQ in such a worse damning light—which makes me understand and love her character infinitely more. We finally know what the flaws are, and now I can see her as the character that the writers saw her as all this time.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#54143: May 8th 2018 at 11:37:11 AM

I just wish the damn TV spots hadn't spoiled the big twist! Goddammit what were they thinking

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#54144: May 8th 2018 at 11:38:15 AM

You gotta get those viewers somehow,

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54145: May 8th 2018 at 11:40:13 AM

[up][up][up]We've known what a lot of Rose's flaws were for a long time.

This explains a lot about her, but it doesn't actually reveal any new character flaws.

edited 8th May '18 11:41:51 AM by LSBK

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#54146: May 8th 2018 at 11:46:18 AM

Has it crossed anyone's mind that Yellow Diamond got what Pink Diamond was doing and now hates her? That would reconcile the this revelation with the Red Herring that "one of the Diamonds shattered her".

As in, Yellow didn't do it, but sure as hell would like to.

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#54147: May 8th 2018 at 11:47:07 AM

I'm glad I wasn't spoiled. I remember when I tried to watch "Earthlings," there was a picture of Smokey Quartz in the thumbnail of several videos.

I was going to say that that Zircon pointing out there was a conspiracy by one of the Diamonds was wrong, but then I realized, Pink IS a Diamond, so the guy was right. I mean, it wasn't what he thought, but he was pretty close all things considered.

edited 8th May '18 11:48:39 AM by WillKeaton

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54148: May 8th 2018 at 11:47:45 AM

[up][up]I mean, That wasn't a Red Herring in the first place, there was a Diamond who helped with the shattering of Pink Diamond: Pink Daimond.

Even if Yellow wanted to get rid of Pink, she played no part in, so that doesn't change anything. And we had an entire song about how she still loves Pink and is broken about it, so that wouldn't make much sense.

edited 8th May '18 11:51:08 AM by LSBK

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#54149: May 8th 2018 at 11:52:13 AM

Its possible to both love and hate someone. She could like Pink's memory, but still be angry at her.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54150: May 8th 2018 at 11:54:25 AM

Maybe, but that wasn't what we were shown, and it doesn't actually have anything to do with this. It was implied a Diamond had something to do with what happened, and a Diamond did, it just wasn't a Diamond most people thought of. That's not a Red Herring, it's a twist.

edited 8th May '18 11:54:53 AM by LSBK


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