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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54051: May 7th 2018 at 10:43:59 PM

I think this was the best plot twist the show could have taken. SU never fails to surprise me. I adored these episodes so much.

I will say this though, these episodes were pretty weird for me considering Rose and Lapis were originally two of my favorite characters in the show, but now my opinion of both of them has drastically changed. For one, I officially lost every ounce of sympathy for Lapis. It’s not like I don’t relate to her crippling loneliness and anxiety, but she’s not doing anything about it. So yeah, I don’t really care if she comes back or not at this point (unless she finds Lars somewhere in space).

As for Rose, just...wow. Turns out she WASN’T a morally ambiguous war hero that did her best to protect the world from tyrants. She was just a selfish ruler who faked her death to live “free and, thus, was directly responsible for the mass genocide of the Crystal Gems. And this whole time she just her sisters grieve her death and slaughter thousands in her name. And THEN she left the one person who was with her through all of her mistakes for someone completely random. Yeah, I still love Rose but she was...kind of the worst. EVER.

And yet... I can’t help but love what this means for Steven’s character. This is perhaps even worse than her being PD’s murderer. Rose is singlehandedly responsible for everything wrong with his loved ones lives. He really has a lot to deal with. Poor Steven. And Pearl. And everyone. Oh man, this is going to be GOOD.

edited 7th May '18 10:51:23 PM by deuteragonist

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54052: May 7th 2018 at 10:45:48 PM

Yeah, I don't like that angle being lost actually. You can say "Oh, but the message of sometime it's necessary to kill is still there because Garnet and Amethyst genuinely believed it happened", but it's just...yeah.

Even if Pearl actually did it that would still be there, but this way?

edited 7th May '18 10:46:22 PM by LSBK

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#54053: May 7th 2018 at 10:51:25 PM

I feel a bit sorry for Rose Diamond. She truly thought that her momsisters thought so little of her that they wouldn't give a rat's ass if she died. But faking her death to end the war was very ill-conceived and cost her all of the people that trusted her. She couldn't exactly tell the Diamonds that she was actually alive because by the time she realized they weren't just going to let it go, they were incommunicado. The galaxy warp was broken and there was no way to communicate off-world. And presumably she was too ashamed or guilty to tell Garnet or later Amethyst

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#54054: May 7th 2018 at 10:51:55 PM

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Not everyone has it easy with dealing with their anxiety and depression and blaming Lapis for not immediately doing something about it is kind of rude, not gonna lie? Like, frankly this is the kind of shit I'd pull. I relate to Lapis so damn much because everything about her strikes such a major personal chord with me that it's painful. I've been in that position so many times and it's fucking brutal to watch, but I don't blame her for her actions or for feeling that way. Is it selfish? Yes it is. Is it understandable? Yes it is.

edited 7th May '18 10:52:02 PM by AdricDePsycho

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54055: May 7th 2018 at 10:55:26 PM

It still makes for great character drama. I wonder how this will affect Steven’s moral compass. I could totally see him going down a darker path because of this. It probably won’t go that route, though.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54056: May 7th 2018 at 10:55:32 PM

[up][up]From the sounds of things, Deuteragonist can relate to all those things too. Different people just have different limits.

edited 7th May '18 10:55:42 PM by LSBK

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#54057: May 7th 2018 at 10:57:39 PM

I like how the show went from "How will I ever live up to my mom?" to "GEEZ WHAT THE SHIT MOM HOLY FUCK"

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#54058: May 7th 2018 at 10:58:18 PM

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I mean, I guess. It just felt kind of dismissive, I dunno. Like I said, she cuts deep for me.

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#54059: May 7th 2018 at 11:02:07 PM

Its not really Lapis's responsibility to put herself through hell again even if she does love Steven and Peridot.

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#54060: May 7th 2018 at 11:02:12 PM

Tbh, Lapis kind of reminds me of Lars in terms of character progression (I think that's the right term). Stumbling several, several times with bits of positive character mixed in, though unlike Lars she hasn't had her "I don't wanna be like this anymore" moment yet. She was almost there, but Poor Communication Kills, unfortunately.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54061: May 7th 2018 at 11:03:02 PM

I mean, personally, I think they've been a bit too meandering with Lapis. And I get that might be part of the point, but it doesn't stop it from being entirely frustrating. I wasn't surprised by her actions though, and I figured something like that would happen. Having her come back so soon would defeat the entire purpose of her leaving.

edited 7th May '18 11:03:37 PM by LSBK

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54063: May 7th 2018 at 11:06:43 PM

Its not really Lapis's responsibility to put herself through hell again even if she does love Steven and Peridot.

I mean, it isn't, but she's doing that either way. She's not exactly happy now, either.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#54064: May 7th 2018 at 11:08:41 PM

@Adric I’m sorry if I sounded insensitive. I used the wrong language. Lapis’ anxiety may be relatable (to an almost uncomfortable degree, which is a testament to the writing), but she’s still a character that I want to see grow and change. Or on the flip side, deteriorate and get worse. Her leaving for the umpteenth time doesn’t do anything for me because it doesn’t show me anything new. Yes, she’s lonely. Yes, she’s relatable. Yes, she’s depressed. Yes, she’s afraid. But these are things we, the audience, already know. Her character just constantly seems defined by how miserable she is. Maybe I’m not giving this show enough credit considering what they did with Lars, but I just want it to go somewhere.

And yes, I do still love Lapis (I always say Lapis is me on my moody days, while Steven is me on my best days), but I’m not above being frustrated with her. Anxiety and depression is a real thing (believe me I know), but all I’m saying is that I’m losing interest in that particular storyline.

edited 7th May '18 11:09:32 PM by deuteragonist

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#54065: May 7th 2018 at 11:11:36 PM

That's fair. I'm genuinely interested in seeing where they go with that but with the Rose Quartz stuff going on now, it's kind of on the backburner. Personally I'm more frustrated that Peridot has gone through a lot of offscreen development that we've barely seen anything about. There's an entire episode's worth of Peridot developing and training that's just relegated to one scene now. Kind of frustrating given she's my favorite character.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54066: May 7th 2018 at 11:12:36 PM

Minority opinion I know: but I'm fine with less Peridot. I'm just not into her kind of character.

edited 7th May '18 11:14:31 PM by LSBK

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#54068: May 7th 2018 at 11:14:08 PM

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Mate, shouldn't you be spoiler tagging? Or...actually, what's the policy on spoilers here?

edited 7th May '18 11:14:18 PM by AdricDePsycho

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54069: May 7th 2018 at 11:15:14 PM

[up]No? I didn't refer to anything specific, and Peridot doing less has just been a general thing has it not?

edited 7th May '18 11:15:48 PM by LSBK

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#54070: May 7th 2018 at 11:18:09 PM

Its been like five pages

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#54071: May 7th 2018 at 11:19:49 PM

I'm just confused because we've got some people spoiler tagging, some not, and I get kinda confused about if we're supposed to keep the spoiler tags up or not, sorry.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#54072: May 7th 2018 at 11:28:43 PM

I understand the concern that people might visit the page without realizing that there were new episodes. If only there were a way to put 'here there be spoilers' on top of the page.

Assuming they come in from the top and don't jump to the most recent post where someone mentions something bonkers like Amethyst having cell phone cases available

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#54073: May 7th 2018 at 11:37:34 PM

[up] She's Amethyst, what do you expect?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54074: May 7th 2018 at 11:40:33 PM

I'm surprised that Amethyst has a phone for some reason.

Anyway, about spoilers, some one suggested do it for like a week, but no consensus was formed. I'll go along with whatever.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#54075: May 7th 2018 at 11:59:22 PM

Ha!

I knew the sword couldn't possibly shatter her!

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