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#54001: May 7th 2018 at 6:59:33 PM

[nja]

edited 7th May '18 7:00:11 PM by Cross

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#54002: May 7th 2018 at 7:06:21 PM

@Kaiseror: I noticed that too! I was going to say something, but I couldn't figure out how to phrase it.

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#54003: May 7th 2018 at 7:12:47 PM

WOW! This creates so many question...."Give it to the Crystal Gems?" Were there any Crystal Gems before Pink Diamond turned into Rose? Will Homeworld want Steven dead or alive after word gets out?

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#54004: May 7th 2018 at 7:19:08 PM

Well, I have wifi over here, so I watched the episodes.

I was against this theory for so long after more and more evidence made me dispute it. I was vehement in not wanting this to be true. But damn it, it's been confirmed, and it...is actually something that makes me outright hate Rose/Pink a little but at least it seems to be making it clear that this wasn't the best of ideas and I don't hate it. I'm intrigued to see where this goes. The promo makes it look like a reverse Keystone Motel where Ruby is the one trying to be chilled out and Sapphire is the one lashing out in anger, but damn it they have every right to be angry.

And like...dear god, think of how some of the other Gems would react. How is Jasper gonna react when she finds out that the Diamond she felt lingering guilt over not protecting is the same person she fought against? How is Bismuth gonna react when she finds out that the same person who she fought beside is of the same upper class that she despised? This is something that's going to have big ramifications and I hope to god that they don't hold back on it.

Oh and there was a Lapis episode, I guess. Look, real talk, the Rose episode blew me away so much that the Lapis episode flew under the radar for me, which is sad because I love Lapis and I thought this was a great episode for her (even if I'm annoyed that Peridot apparently had off-screen growth going on). Her song was pretty sad and I know demand a Peridot and Lapis duet soon.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54005: May 7th 2018 at 7:55:40 PM

You know, this might give an entirely different meaning to Rose telling Greg she's not a "real" person.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#54006: May 7th 2018 at 7:56:42 PM

Well, this makes Pink the Token Good Member of the Diamond Authority. But gosh, this was a twist I didn't see coming. His mom being Pink Diamond is going to give him even more self-reflection issues. Also looking at the previews for the next event, Sapphire is furious about being lied to all this time.

Also this means that Yellow and Blue are Steve's Aunts.

edited 7th May '18 7:57:49 PM by firewriter

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#54007: May 7th 2018 at 7:58:04 PM

Sapphire has future vision. How did she not see any of this coming?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#54008: May 7th 2018 at 7:58:48 PM

Well shit. That happened. It actually happened. I was expecting another non-answer and we finally got a real answer. Holy...

So many questions, and now we know why what we see in the leak happens.

[up][up] Yeah, Blue and Yellow (and White) are technically his aunts, aren't they.

edited 7th May '18 8:00:08 PM by CaptainCapsase

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#54009: May 7th 2018 at 7:59:02 PM

I mean she can't see every future.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#54010: May 7th 2018 at 8:00:15 PM

Up until now the Diamonds have been out for Rose's blood, wanting her dead for shattering Pink Diamond. Now, with this new revelation, we may be able to achieve a peaceful resolution to this millennia long conflict, if the Diamonds learn the truth and can be made to see reason.

So, what's up with the human zoo? It used to make sense, but now...

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#54011: May 7th 2018 at 8:01:03 PM

Made to see reason after the mass corruption wave?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54012: May 7th 2018 at 8:02:05 PM

Pearl and Rose really didn't think it through very well, did they?

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#54013: May 7th 2018 at 8:02:41 PM

This revelation about Pink Diamond is why Steven Universe keeps me on my toes.

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#54014: May 7th 2018 at 8:03:28 PM

I'm guessing there was a period where P Ink legitimately wanted to make Earth her colony. Then she fell in love with the place, but all the projects she already started, like the Zoo and the Prime Kindergarten were still there.

As for releasing the humans, we see the current zoomans are so used to captivity they wouldn't survive in the real world. Depending on how long it took for PD to turn around, they might have already been unreasonable by the time she changed her mind about that.

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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#54015: May 7th 2018 at 8:05:07 PM

I think one of Pink Diamond/Rose Quarz's regrets is probably that she didn't free the Zoomans.

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#54016: May 7th 2018 at 8:05:10 PM

[up][up] Presumably it was gradual, with Pink initially just dismissing humans out of hand, eventually deciding to spare some of them via the zoo, and finally deciding it would be best to just leave them and the Earth in peace.

[up] The biggest one by far is her failure to anticipate how the other Diamonds would react to her "death."

@Adric: Regicide is very much a Godzilla Threshold in real life (IRL it's what set off the powder keg that became World War I), doubly so in authoritarian systems and triply so in an absolute monarchy like homeworld; it's really not surprising at all the proverbial nuclear option was used, and realistically, the Crystal Gems are outnumbered probably a trillion to 1 or so against Homeworld (and that's using the relatively constrained populations of Sci Fi interstellar civilizations, rather than the realistic scale where the magnitude of difference would be too great to be expressed without scientific notation), so it would be utter insanity to forgo the possibility of making peace with at least some of the Diamonds.

edited 7th May '18 8:19:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#54017: May 7th 2018 at 8:19:22 PM

xanderiskander: "Pool Hopping" literally went over this. Garnet can't see futures she doesn't expect. Steven saying Rose is Pink Diamond is something she never would've thought of.

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#54018: May 7th 2018 at 8:22:21 PM

[up][up]

First off, don't refer to it as "utter insanity", that's kind of ableist. Second off, Blue and Yellow are still guilty of the corruption wave that affected numerous Gems on Earth. That is not something that is justifiable at all and if they turn at all, I'm not gonna be happy. It'd be disgusting after all that they'd done to do something like that.

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#54019: May 7th 2018 at 8:24:24 PM

Well, that was an episode.

I dislike the whole "Rose is Pink Diamond" thing on principle, but damn if the show didn't execute it perfectly so far. Now to see how the followup wish shape. And also to re watch everything and see how well implemented this feels in hindsight.

Man, I never felt like I wanted to see the full timeline of the war so much. I need to know how all the flashbacks fit together. And also for how long the Diamonds fought after Pink's shattering.

Btw, is this the leak everyone was freaking about?

[up][up]Guess that is why they made the episode. Needed to be addressed beforehand.

edited 7th May '18 8:25:45 PM by Heatth

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#54020: May 7th 2018 at 8:26:05 PM

[up][up] Fine then, it's a petulant and irrational decision that's tantamount to suicide. The reality is, the Crystal Gems have no hope whatsoever of defending the Earth from Homeworld if they ever decide to return with even a token force, much less defeating the whole of Gem Empire, which at a minimum probably has a population orders of magnitude larger than Earth.

“Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.”

[up] No, it's not, but this reveal makes what we saw a lot more understandable.

edited 7th May '18 8:36:00 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54021: May 7th 2018 at 8:27:39 PM

Honestly, even if Pink had really been shattered I never saw this show as being the type to say that the others should also be, or that they're irredeemable.

And with the kind of power they have, that doesn't leave much options about what to do with them.

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#54022: May 7th 2018 at 8:30:05 PM

So then what? I'd highly doubt they'd be redeemed after what they did, and I sure as hell don't think an apology is gonna come out of this. What'll they do to the Diamonds then?

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#54023: May 7th 2018 at 8:30:40 PM

And that's how you WHAM. I don't care if you called it or not, that worked. For the record, I did not.

I immediately thought about Jasper myself, and how much of a tragic figure that makes her. My second thought was actually towards Amethyst... even though she never was put in position to deal with it, she was literally made for serving Pink Diamond. What's going through her head right now (besides the Big "WHAT?!" that is only natural)? One friend pointed out everything with Bismuth to me... yeah, maybe not unbubbling her would be the safe move for Steven.

Most of all, it is bringing me back to Greg and "We Need To Talk." "I barely know you." "That's a good thing" echoes so much louder today than it did yesterday. Also, in a way, I'm taking this as partial confirmation of one long-standing pet theory I had - that Rose had so much guilt that she eventually became full-on suicidal and also had some variety of I Cannot Self-Terminate going on. In no small part because "Rose" already did "kill" herself (or at least her old identity) and abandoned her old life once, but even still, I think she couldn't let go until she conceived Steven.

@54003 Well, a few things about that. One, as it was made clear by Garnet's origin, that future vision is not infallible. Two, I don't think Garnet has any way to see the past at all (even Padparadscha only has apparently a very limited past window into which she can see). Three, Garnet was just noting in "Pool Hopping" that the limits of her future vision have been coming up more and more of late; simply put, she can't predict Steven nearly so well anymore... and all of this came about because of Steven's actions. With no way into the past and no way to predict who triggered the revelation, there was just no way for Garnet to know.

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edited 7th May '18 8:31:33 PM by 32_Footsteps

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#54024: May 7th 2018 at 8:31:28 PM

[up][up]Tactic admission of guilt and trying to make their society better? Ultimately whether they can make up for what they did in the past isn't as important as what happens in the future (and present) I think.

edited 7th May '18 8:31:45 PM by LSBK

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#54025: May 7th 2018 at 8:32:03 PM

[up][up][up] What was done with monarchs in the majority of western-style political systems; relegate them to a ceremonial role and institute a parliamentary system or something of that sort. Contrast to the counterexamples, with the French Monarchy giving way to the revolutionary terror and several rounds of dictatorship before eventually becoming the modern democratic France of today, and the Russian Monarchy being replaced by the equally brutal Soviet Union, and you see why Bismuth's sort of attitude towards class conflict can be deeply problematic when it comes into contact with reality.

edited 7th May '18 8:37:47 PM by CaptainCapsase


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