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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#53751: Apr 4th 2018 at 6:32:35 PM

You got my hopes up...there was nothing dumb in that post.

It's just about theme naming.

edited 4th Apr '18 6:32:56 PM by randomness4

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#53752: Apr 4th 2018 at 6:39:37 PM

[up] Thanks. You made me smile. I usually post really dumb stuff.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53753: Apr 4th 2018 at 7:04:37 PM

Both actually started within months of each other.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#53754: Apr 4th 2018 at 9:05:15 PM

I'm probably being really dumb but there's this manga called Houseki no Kuni and it seems really cool. It also features Gem named characters including Padparadscha! And no I'm not saying anyone ripped anyone off!
The main difference is that the Gem people in Houseki no Kuni (Land of the Lustrous) are literally Gem People, as in they're are walking, talking gemstones all the way through, vs gems with a fake-light body. It's an element that factors into the plot multiple times with things like how their personalities/memories are just as literally parts of their bodies, so if they lose a few slivers or, even worse, whole limbs, they could lose memories or personality with them.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53755: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:18:16 PM

So how true do you guys think Garnet's story was in "Your Mother and Mine"? I don't think Rose is Pink Diamond (and really hope she isn't), but her backstory of being born on Earth and falling in love with life there seems too... clean.

My thoughts? She, like all other Rose Quartz, guarded the Zoo. Guarding a location is typical for Quartz gems. Perhaps they even kidnapped humans for Pink. Rose did not learn to love humans until she saw one get hurt at the Zoo, at which point she rushed in to help them (explaining the legend at the Zoo). Then she decided to rebel to protect the Earth.

It would explain why the Rose Quartz gems are at the Zoo, and why Rose seems rather reluctant to talk about herself. "Kidnapping people from their families" is not resume material for leading a rebellion.

Pearl also visited the Zoo before, which would place her in a location to meet Rose.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:23:31 PM by SilentColossus

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#53756: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:24:21 PM

That's seems pretty solid in terms of theories.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53757: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:26:04 PM

I don't think Garnet would knowingly lie about anything, so if a theory is predicated on that, I'm not much to give it stock. The story was pretty clean but it was also the cliffnotes version of events that took place over, at a bare-minimum, several centuries.

But, as for whether Rose would lie about her origins and journey...I could see it, but that comes with it's own issues during an active war when there would probably be many people who would probably be able to distinguish fact from fiction.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:27:59 PM by LSBK

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53758: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:27:17 PM

Oh yeah. Garnet didn't lie. Rose did.

Rose has proven to be rather... shady. It'd not surprise me if she lied to gain troops. Jasper even called Steven's attempts to help manipulation... and while Steven would never do that, maybe Rose would.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:28:42 PM by SilentColossus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53759: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:29:05 PM

Although, I don't see a particular reason for Rose to lie about working at the Zoo or anything, either.

And I really don't think Jasper's impression of Rose should be taken at face value. It doesn't even sound like they ever even met.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:30:16 PM by LSBK

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53760: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:31:32 PM

As I said: not resume material. Being a loyal soldier who ripped apart families and dragged them away to be exhibited sounds less attractive than what Garnet said. It is also more complex, making it harder to make a story out of.

And perhaps Rose was just ashamed. Her Earth-origin story is what she wants to have happened.

Edit: I agree about Jasper, and I don't think she was right because she knew anything about Rose. We just know that Rose, according to Rebecca Sugar, lacks compassion. She doesn't really get it. Now that's just podcast material, but it reflects where she intends to take Rose as a character.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:33:10 PM by SilentColossus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53761: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:32:20 PM

I mean, I honestly doubt most Gems would care about that. They seemed to be primarily fighting for themselves. Any care for humans seems to have come later. That definitely seems to be the case for Garnet and Pearl, anyway.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:32:54 PM by LSBK

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53762: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:36:06 PM

The only person who need care is Rose. If she is ashamed of it, then that's her entire motivation for lying about it.

But neither Garnet nor Pearl have much kind to say about the Zoo. They got quite emotional discussing it. So it may have been a big deal.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:36:59 PM by SilentColossus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53763: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:38:26 PM

They get emotional, now. Garnet and Pearl are not the same people they were 5,000 years ago, it shouldn't be assumed that their reactions would be the same.

You brought up Rose lying about it because it doesn't sound as good as a way to recruit other Gems, which means whether they'd care or not is very relevant.

Though just not talking about it seems more like Rose's bit than verbally lying about it.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:40:37 PM by LSBK

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53764: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:48:02 PM

Well, Ruby and Sapphire went on a journey discovering life on Earth before forming Garnet and meeting Rose a second time,

Peridot likewise tried to find a way to combine her loyalty to Yellow and find a way to protect life on Earth.

If Rose's entire message was about protecting Earth, then it can be presumed that the gems that joined her cared about that. Garnet included that into her message just as much as liberating gems.

Sorry if this seems incoherent. Largely brainstorming right now.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53765: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:52:14 PM

Rose's whole thing seemed to be combination of loving Earth and individualism, it just so happened that her individualism was loving Earth, and over time other Gems who followed her took that up. That's my impression anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if others also just loved life or whatever and so joined up.

As far as Rose's shadiness goes - it's definitely there, but that doesn't necessarily meant her origins are shady. Many ventures start out simple and "pure" only to become much less so when it comes to making it happen. Assuming Rose actually did shatter Pink (or at least was heavily involved with whatever happened) and the whole Bismuth situation makes that clear.

edited 4th Apr '18 11:52:30 PM by LSBK

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53766: Apr 4th 2018 at 11:57:20 PM

I just don't buy the story she told Garnet. The Rose Quartz gems are at the Zoo, and the zoomens have legends of someone helping an injured human. The former could be easily explained by it simply being perhaps Pink's only location accessible by Homeworld, but Rose not being at the Zoo would make the latter a red herring.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53767: Apr 5th 2018 at 12:01:47 AM

I mean, if I'm being honest I don't really buy you're theory because I don't see how it actually changes anything. Yeah, you could say Rose was ashamed, but we already have things like that, it wouldn't add anything really new or interesting to the character.

Also, the idea that the Rose Quartzs were always just on zoo duty seems oddly specific and weird. Moving all of Pinks' surviving Gems to it just seemed to be protocol going by the Famethyst.

edited 5th Apr '18 12:03:34 AM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#53768: Apr 5th 2018 at 12:05:23 AM

Maybe they're only on the zoo now is because it belongs to PD...

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53769: Apr 5th 2018 at 12:07:23 AM

Speaking of the Famethyst... is that really it? There were thousands of holes at Prime and Beta. Either they're corrupted, are serving at other parts in the empire, or have been shattered. If they're all that is left, I really don't buy the idea that the Crystal Gems never shattered.

edited 5th Apr '18 12:07:45 AM by SilentColossus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53770: Apr 5th 2018 at 12:09:22 AM

Though I don't like the idea that no Crystal Gem ever shattered another Gem, that might not be intentional. A lot of things about the Human Zoo don't really add up if you think about them for a bit.

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#53771: Apr 5th 2018 at 10:11:34 AM

Earth became a rallying point for individualism

Think Garnet's line in the extended theme

Earth is where she can exist as her

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53773: Apr 5th 2018 at 4:59:38 PM

@LBSK: It's not even necessarily a mistake—someone may have known the Zoo's population (human and gem) is unrealistically small, but choose to ignore it because that'd be a lot harder to show.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53774: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:40:54 PM

I was staying at a hotel with fast-but-unreliable wi-fi that messed with video viewing. For a laugh I decided to watch "The Big Show" and see how that piled on top of the in-show bad recording.

It was great: The blurry camera and picture were hard to tell from each other, and one scene frame skipped to the point of literally looking like a voiced slideshow. But it was full quality during the big performance—and then went back to a blurry mess for the credits. Perfect timing!

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Think of the mooks!
#53775: Apr 6th 2018 at 6:48:32 AM

For the number of the Famethyst versus the number of holes in the Kindergartens, there are a few things.

One, I suspect that most of the holes shown were mostly for Rose Quartzes - after all, it looked like the number of bubbled Rose Quartzes was in the hundreds.

Two, as noted, we don't know how many (accidentally or purposefully) were shattered during the rebellion.

Three, related, we don't know how many are currently on Earth in corrupted form (either wandering about or bubbled).

Four, we don't know if the Famethyst is all of the Amethysts at the Zoo. That facility was pretty big, and the Crystal Gems only visited a small portion of it. The Famethyst might have just been one troop, with others stationed at other places in the Zoo.

There's enough there that I don't think we need to wonder about how many Amethysts there are unless the show makes an active point to bring it up.

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