Maybe Earth is a small planet by their standards. Or they thought it was, at any rate.
Y'know, it occurs to me, that bit where Rose tries to convince Pink of the life on Earth being with preserving only to be shot down... Peridot had a similar moment in her conversation with Yellow Diamond.
edited 2nd Apr '18 6:08:09 AM by sgamer82
Self-defense actually also includes the defense of third parties, so, by defending humanity, killing Pink Diamond does count as self-defense and is therefore incapable of being murder. Had she left Pink Diamond alive though, Rode would have been responsible for the deaths of the gems and humans killed by Pink Diamond's forces (There's a reason I'm on Bismuth's side).
Only legally, which we seemed to agree was irrelevant since our laws aren't really important here. Whether or not it's murder is beside the point.
More relevantly, Rose did, by all indications kill her sovereign liege after rising up in rebellion.
edited 2nd Apr '18 7:00:05 AM by sgamer82
Yeah, but how else are we supposed to define it? Rose was already a war criminal by Homeworld's laws. Why do we care what they think? Are you saying that Rose should have instead shattered Garnet and handed her shards over to Pink Diamond as a peace offering? Homeworld would have certainly seen ht as the more correct action, but I hope no one here does.
EDIT: Killing your sovereign lord after rebellion is the normal and proper action in response to tyranny as has happened repeatedly in history. We actively celebrate such things n Independence Days and so forth.
edited 2nd Apr '18 7:06:14 AM by Sereg
No, I am not saying any of that and am legitimately confused how you reached that conclusion
Re: edit: And? Right or wrong it doesn't change that's what she did.
Serious question: are you the one who describes Bubbling as worse than shattering? If so, I'm not going to waste my typing speed...
edited 2nd Apr '18 7:08:42 AM by sgamer82
Yes, that's me. My point is "Why do we care that Homeworld sees it as wrong? We know that Rose was on the side of good when she did that."
EDIT: Yes, she did it. I'm asking why people are shocked by it. Rose did many thing. Some of which actually are bad. This wasn't one of them.
edited 2nd Apr '18 8:14:54 AM by Sereg
Although even twenty times as many gem structures shown would be incredibly few for a whole planet. Gem colonization apparently leaves way more empty space than they know what to do with.
Heck, we also know that the Kindergartens on Earth weren't running at maximum capacity - compare how many emergence points there are in the shown Earth Kindergartens versus what the underground of Homeworld looked like when Steven and Lars escaped down there.
That got to me back when those episodes aired, because it leads to the Fridge Horror of just how many forces Homeworld could theoretically bring to bear on Earth if it ever felt like it. Even if most planets were running at only half of what Homeworld was, there are potentially billions of gems that could have been brought to bear on Earth. There's the definite sense that a big chunk of Earth's continuing survival depends on Homeworld just not giving a shit about it.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.I'm still doubtful as to whether she actually did it though.
Could have been that Pink Diamond faked her death and staged it within proximity of Rose herself. Or, of course, barring something like the Breaking Point, it could only be done by another Diamond.
Neither of those assumptions have anything supporting them. For one thing, the Breaking Point is not the only way to shatter a Gem, that should be obvious since we've seen plenty of shattered Gems, and there's only one Breaking Point. Two, there's nothing indicating that the Diamonds' gems would be harder to shatter than any other Gems'.
What little we have seen and heard of Pink also makes her faking her death incredibly unlikely. An then there's the question of how something like that stays concealed.
edited 2nd Apr '18 1:02:51 PM by LSBK
It's just that everyone else here is saying that Rose definitely was responsible. (Rose shattering Pink Diamond with her sword is every bit as implausible as the other possibilities at the very least.)
The definite fallout of the scenario of Pink Diamond getting shattered even in self defense by Rose was the retaliation from the other Diamonds in the form of the corruption wave. This not being the case would very clearly force the remaining Diamonds to reexamine who their real target is, even though it surely wouldn't mean being all hunky dory with the Crystal Gems.
Everyone else most certainly wasn't say that Rose was definitely responsible. There are people (myself included) who think just going with that would have been better for the story, but no one has pretended like there aren't other possibilities at this point.
You keep bringing up the sword as if that isn't something we haven't all acknowledged, and it's annoying.
edited 2nd Apr '18 3:16:16 PM by LSBK
I like the theory that Pink Diamond put stress on her gem by shape shifting big too much and the shattering was a mistake
Forever liveblogging the AvengersCould be that Rose's intention in going directly to her court was to humiliate her in front of all her Gems ,having discovered previously that she was concealing her true size
And with a blade that can't shatter gems it should have harmlessly poofed her,counting on the fact that Pink would immediately want to regain her she would be forced to reform to her correct size.
Of course as you said
the toll of maintaining that form for so long and the fact that Pink probably didn't want reform normally may have led to her demise.
I wonder how much of an issue her size was. While she appears bigger in the Garnet stories, her chair is just the right size. It seems that the Diamonds have been getting smaller as they're produced; White's hand and arm appears to be at least twice the size of her Yellow and Blue. Everyone is talking about Pink being small, but Blue and Yellow are small by comparison.
Watch them try to produce another Diamond that turns out Sapphire-sized. Which I'm not sure would be a problem, because a Sapphire is very highly ranked.
If anything, I could see Pink's size only being an issue for Pink.
edited 2nd Apr '18 6:07:40 PM by SilentColossus
That's probably just Earth being different for the sake of it.
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One thing I've wondered about is how she went from having no colony to controlling Earth's vast resources ,and what it took to convince them that she could manage something like Earth,you'd think for a first time ruler they'd start ruler they'd start off with something smaller,though they might have done that and she proved she ready for a 'real' colony
Or maybe, after the Jungle Moon flashback she went crying to Blue Diamond who convinced the others to give her a planet of her own,
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