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azul120 Since: Jan, 2001
#53676: Apr 1st 2018 at 1:19:37 PM

I wouldn't if people weren't back on the "Rose did it!" talking point since that was already called into question last year.

Garnet clearly doesn't have the whole story. She knows only as much as the average Ruby mook. Never had she considered (or known, perhaps) that Rose couldn't shatter a gem, much less a diamond, with her sword.

edited 1st Apr '18 1:21:55 PM by azul120

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53677: Apr 1st 2018 at 1:22:47 PM

"Called into question" and "definitely not the case" are not the same thing. I haven't seen anyone say that Rose definitely did it (though I have seen people, myself included, saying that not being the case is less interesting/has more problems with it). I have however seen a lot of people acting as if her not doing it has been totally confirmed and nothing else can't be going on.

Case in point for an obvious problem - Garnet for some reason not knowing how Rose's sword works strikes me a something incredibly unlikely and only manufactured specifically for this situation. It doesn't feel natural.

edited 1st Apr '18 4:31:32 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#53678: Apr 1st 2018 at 1:50:16 PM

[up]I wondered about that too. Made me wonder if the abilities of Rose's sword weren't common knowledge, even within the Crystal Gems. Even if they weren't during the war, however, I find it hard to believe Garnet, Amethyst and/or Pearl wouldn't have known. Might depend on how long Rose's sword was locked up in that armory.

edited 1st Apr '18 1:50:45 PM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53679: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:31:06 PM

When Bismuth is eventually reintroduced, I wonder how she's going to react to this "Rose shattered Pink/it was necessary to shatter Pink" talk.

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#53680: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:44:30 PM

I could see her being upset at the implication that her weapon,made by her not to shatter gems,could apparently have shattered someone,although she'll probably won't be too upset over Pink Diamond's shattering.

I mean if you make a weapon that's designed not to kill someone and it ends up killing someone then it means you've messed up somewhere

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#53681: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:20:48 PM

[up] On the flip side, she might consider Rose even more of a hypocrite since their original falling out involved Bismuth creating a weapon that could shatter Gems.

I could see Steven un-bubbling Bismuth to ask if there is a way to use the sword to shatter Gems, or if she knew of any other weapons that might do it.

edited 1st Apr '18 5:21:05 PM by sgamer82

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53682: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:35:48 PM

Speakings of Bismuth, I was looking around the artbook again when I noticed an amusing note describing her relationship with Garnet:

Huge respect for Garnet, as an interclass fusion—Sapphire for giving up privilege, Ruby for hitting that—!

(Also, a note about her general design is "Goron + Ninja Turtle".)

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53683: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:45:39 PM

So...where does the Ninja Turtle part come in?

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#53684: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:58:09 PM

Man, Garnet's full of shit. She's clearly an unreliable narrator whenever it pertains to the Diamonds. I refuse to believe that Pink didn't care about Life on Earth...while at the same time building and maintaining a zoo.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53685: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:03:03 PM

Shows interest to abduct Earth life equals not to caring about said life.

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#53686: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:04:58 PM

She wanted the Zoo to exhibit the weird animals found on her colony.

edited 1st Apr '18 6:05:36 PM by SilentColossus

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#53687: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:09:21 PM

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Nothing in that entire post is true at all. Pink Diamond didn't give a shit about life on Earth and the Zoo was for her to exhibit it, not to protect it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53688: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:10:58 PM

[up]To be fair, I think that post is just being sarcastic.

Still, human zoos used to be an actual thing; they weren't done out of respect for the people or cultures being displayed in those cases, and I see no reason to think Pink's would be different.

I am actually taken aback by the fact that some people think Pink having a zoo meant she cared about human life, let alone all the other life on Earth.

edited 1st Apr '18 6:15:21 PM by LSBK

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#53689: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:11:36 PM

It's something taken straight out of the pages of imperialism.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#53690: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:14:05 PM

At best, Pink Diamond cared about life on Earth, hence the zoo, but not enough to preserve it all by stopping colonization, which is what Rose wanted and which sparked her rebellion.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#53691: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:15:24 PM

I want to know what the idea Pink created the Zoo to protect humans is often accepted as fact. Pearl and Garnet explicitly state it was a menagerie to show off Pink's trophies. Pearl even went there once when Pink was alive.

I get theorizing that the Crystal Gems are wrong, but I rarely see that being the presented theory. Instead, so many people act like it the show presents it as being a utopia created by Pink's mercy.

edited 1st Apr '18 6:18:30 PM by SilentColossus

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53692: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:20:44 PM

There's one almost definitely inaccuracy, though it's not really something Garnet said: Pink Diamond as like twice Rose's height.

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#53693: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:38:02 PM

[up][up] They clearly don't know much more about Pink than we do. Garnet's a propaganda machine at this point, whitewashing history.

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#53694: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:39:02 PM

[up] Evidence?

We have no reason to see Pink as anything but a spoiled brat turned tyrant, really.

edited 1st Apr '18 6:42:46 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#53695: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:39:28 PM

It's all just giving Pink the Draco in Leather Pants treatment.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53696: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:40:20 PM

[up][up][up]Oh, so you are being serious? Yeah, then completely disagree.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53697: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:41:29 PM

Is this trolling/sarcasm?

Is there a point either way? This is just an "argument" where one person says something stupid, everyone points out why they're wrong, and the first poster makes the same post again.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53698: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:51:18 PM

Non budging argument = ignore

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#53699: Apr 1st 2018 at 7:46:09 PM

[up] Well someone's gotta have convictions

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53700: Apr 1st 2018 at 7:49:06 PM

No problem...

It's just faster.

edited 1st Apr '18 7:52:07 PM by randomness4

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