The definition of murder isn't just any killing that isn't in self-defense. Murder, legally, is an unlawful killing. Which I suppose you could say killing Pink was though the rule of law meant very little during the war, for very obvious reasons.
More to the point the actual legality of it isn't why people care. Murder is a much more emotionally loaded term than that, and people use it all the time in cases where it really doesn't apply.
And since you're the one who brought up it offending people's morality, and yet are claiming it isn't a moral judgement, I'm left to believe hat you're being deliberately obtuse.
edited 31st Mar '18 7:01:42 PM by LSBK
I thought Asshole Victim only needed the unsympathetic murder victim. Most of the time they are killed for sympathetic reasons. If nothign else that'd wipe out any Detective Conan entry in that trope.
Yeah, the Asshole Victim who is someone is killed for something unrelated to their assholery, something that if they weren't a dick would actually make you feel for them. In any case, that still doesn't apply to Pink Diamond.
Well I'm sorry that I misunderstood the trope. I really did think it just needed an asshole character to be killed.
I also did not mean for murder to be an emotionally charged term. Perhaps it would be better if I just called it the death of Pink (which is still something people might not want Rose involved in because it's immoral, illegal, absolute, etc.) If you want Rose to have shattered her, that's fine too.
see my completed Tangled (Varian) fanfic collection! https://archiveofourown.org/works/24467056/chapters/59049532Basically, though the character is sympathetic, the act of murder was definitely a bad thing.
If I recall correctly, the full quote (I don't have it on hand, so I may be talking out of my ass) was that there would be no daily villains showing up to be foiled- the Crystal Gems were never going to have to roll out and battle the forces of Cobra once an episode.
@53654 Yeah, does have to be irrelevant. If it were relevant, it would fall under Laser-Guided Karma or Pay Evil unto Evil (depending on just how relevant it is).
Personally, I don't have a problem saying that Rose Quartz murdered Pink Diamond, because the deliberate act of killing someone in a war setting seems like a strange hair to split. Moreover, I don't think it means that Rose is any less of a moral character - in fact, I think the way she was shown to wrestle with that decision makes her very fascinating. That said, I do see why other people might find that distinction worth hashing out.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.And yeah I think what Rose did to Pink qualifies as an assassination. Which is still a form of murder IIRC.
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.I think the problem here is that murder is considered a bad thing, which is problematic, because many people consider that bad things = things that shouldn't be done, which is counter-productive in an scenario where murdering the leader of the opposing force was the best option for, well, not the crystal gems, but the earth.
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said, that Rose struggled with that descision shows that it isn't something that was made on a whim, nor something that she would normally do.
edited 1st Apr '18 7:06:52 AM by Gabo352
Eh, maybe I snapped a bit, but my point was that while the sword needs to be addressed, it's also something the show has specifically pointed out to us. But a lot of people keep acting as if they're the first person to notice it, or as if confirms anything, when it does not.
edited 1st Apr '18 11:08:24 AM by LSBK
edited 1st Apr '18 12:02:40 PM by xanderiskander

You don't have to be snippy and say "it's on you, not the show."
I never said whether or not I thought there was a good reason behind Pink's shattering only that it is technically murder to kill another person, no matter how evil said person is. (Nor did I say that the show never provided any context for why the murder went down).
All I'm saying is an Asshole Victim can still be a murder victim. Some people may not want Rose to have delivered the killing blow, even if the show gives her valid reasons to oppose Pink. It's fine for people to have different feelings about Rose and Pink's shattering.
That we're even having a discussion like this implies the show has created a complex narrative and situations where there may be no easy, 'good' decisions and sometimes a 'good' person might do something terrible. So please don't talk down to me in the future, I do pay attention to the story.
edited 31st Mar '18 7:15:48 PM by GlitterCat
see my completed Tangled (Varian) fanfic collection! https://archiveofourown.org/works/24467056/chapters/59049532