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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#53352: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:25:59 PM

Back to the Kindergarten?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#53353: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:32:42 PM

> I miss Amedot.

With the shorty squad that could still happen

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#53354: Mar 1st 2018 at 4:21:18 PM

I found the commentary on the Lapis/Jasper relationship really interesting, actually. I'd been thinking that it seemed almost mutually abusive in a sense, and I guess that interpretation wasn't entirely wrong? Intriguing.

And yes, I'm glad for the confirmation that the Lapis/Peridot relationship wasn't supposed to be seen as 100% healthy! I kinda figured as much, but I'm glad that was the actual intent.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#53355: Mar 1st 2018 at 5:24:49 PM

Man, Lapis just cannot do healthy relationships.

It's either a martyrdom codependence thing like with Steven, an abusive sadomasochistic thing like with Jasper, or an unequal pairing thing like with Peridot.

edited 1st Mar '18 5:26:47 PM by M84

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#53356: Mar 1st 2018 at 5:51:16 PM

It's either a martyrdom codependence thing like with Steven

That's, uh... That's a very bleak way to look at their relationship.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#53357: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:34:07 PM

I mean there's definitely a martyrdom thing going on with her and Steven. She's willing to throw herself away for him. She's like Pearl with Rose. She even screams "Just let me do this for you!" in Chille Tid, they're not subtle about it.

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#53358: Mar 1st 2018 at 11:31:11 PM

I was talking more about the codependent thing.

wild mass guess Though I do have an idea that she was using "I'm keeping Steven safe" as a justification for what she was doing to Jasper... wild mass guess

...But that's still kind of a bleak interpretation, isn't it?

edited 2nd Mar '18 12:15:47 AM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#53359: Mar 1st 2018 at 11:35:46 PM

Lapis is a Broken Bird with PTSD. She's kind of a bleak character. Even the more humorous moments with her have a tinge of bleakness. Except the fart noises.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#53360: Mar 2nd 2018 at 12:26:55 AM

She made fun of Jersey with those fart noises, that in itself is bleak.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#53361: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:00:41 AM

@53350 I mean, wasn't it always canonically mutually abusive? Lapis' comments in "Alone at Sea" are her admitting that she was hurting Jasper as part of being Malachite (presumably, emotionally). As much as I like Lapis (she is my favorite character), that's an ugly side of her that we can't ignore. It's the cycle of abuse, played out with Bizarre Alien Biology.

As for Lapis' relationships in general... I mean, she's an abuse victim. An abuse victim on a timescale that honestly plays out as Fridge Horror if you think about it too much. And one of the sad things about abuse victims is that they have an unfortunate tendency to be in unhealthy relationships with people, even in cases where the other person isn't hurting them (e.g. Lapis' relationship with Steven). The abuse so colors their outlook that they have a hard time making any relationship healthy. Some unfortunately never get that. There's a lot of healing Lapis needs before she could really get into a healthy relationship (which has always been the root of my objection to Lapidot).

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#53362: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:10:01 AM

I thought it was more on the side of Lapis being the abuser than Jasper.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#53363: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:17:19 AM

It's kinda hard to be mutually abusive when one side holds all the power.

Toxic sure, but I don't think you could call it mutually abusive.

Oh really when?
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#53364: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:32:05 AM

Holding power over another can be reciprocal, and it can be unevenly reciprocal. I always got the sense that Jasper was still able to get her own digs in to hurt Lapis even as Lapis was literally and figuratively chaining Jasper down. Also, while Lapis was almost certainly the more emotionally powerful of the two, Jasper was physically more powerful.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#53365: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:36:21 AM

I don't think physical power is relevant when you share a body.

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#53366: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:49:59 AM

Also, Lapis is practically a god.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#53367: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:54:50 AM

Well

A force of nature is more like it

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53368: Mar 2nd 2018 at 12:36:28 PM

Their relationship didn't start when they were fused—Lapis was Jasper's prisoner, and even mistreated her even compared to what was required by her job.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#53369: Mar 2nd 2018 at 12:45:12 PM

@53350 I mean, wasn't it always canonically mutually abusive? Lapis' comments in "Alone at Sea" are her admitting that she was hurting Jasper as part of being Malachite (presumably, emotionally). As much as I like Lapis (she is my favorite character), that's an ugly side of her that we can't ignore. It's the cycle of abuse, played out with Bizarre Alien Biology.

I'd kind of assumed as much, but I'd seen enough people insisting that Malachite was an abusive relationship with Jasper as the abuser and Lapis as the victim that I started to wonder if I'd maybe misinterpreted.

edited 2nd Mar '18 12:47:01 PM by DeathsApprentice

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#53370: Mar 3rd 2018 at 12:24:12 PM

Listen to this

It's the ending themes right up to Jungle Moon,the result is interesting to the least!

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#53371: Mar 3rd 2018 at 12:42:46 PM

That's definitely leading to something, but to what?

My first thought was that it was Beach City related, due to the various ocean/beach animal noises in the beginning.

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Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#53372: Mar 3rd 2018 at 2:44:32 PM

I love that guitar that pops in around 0:50 and the drums n' bass -influenced percussion that follows.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53373: Mar 3rd 2018 at 2:51:05 PM

[up][up]The show in general is set on a beach, so I wouldn't assume it any more significant than that.

edited 3rd Mar '18 2:51:28 PM by thatother1dude

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53374: Mar 3rd 2018 at 4:39:59 PM

The music tracks in the "Lion 4: Alternate Ending"'s desert scene and "The Off Colors" are called "The Old Sentries" and "Force of Sloth", respectively. Following that pattern, I tried to find a matching name for the music when Emerald was about to fire on the Sun Incinerator.

  • Gar Bar-rails
  • Lass for the Arts
  • Tsar of Her Salts
  • Rare Fast Sloths
  • Half Sass Retort
  • Atlas Rots Fresh
  • Saltfort Shears
  • Sash of Rattlers
  • Of Artless Trash
  • Oh, Starless Raft

edited 3rd Mar '18 4:48:47 PM by thatother1dude

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#53375: Mar 3rd 2018 at 5:02:34 PM

[up][up] Fair point.

I don't think they'd use sloth again, but "Lass For the Arts", " Half Sass Retort", and "Of Artless Trash" are hilarious.

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