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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#53326: Feb 24th 2018 at 3:44:28 PM

Posting because I can.

One thing I'm glad for is that the show hasn't go down route of having a Prophecy or a 'Magical Gem Destiny' this is despite having gems like Sapphire who can look into the future,normally when a show deals with something like a Hybrid or saviour figure there's some kind of prophecy that comes from somewhere,in this show's case it would have been foretold by someone like Sapphire,and it would have had some vague wording about Steven being Savior/Redeemer of Gem kind or something but any case they've avoided that trope,for now

Though you never know,there might just be a prophecy that they'll come to eventually..

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Oh absolutely

edited 24th Feb '18 4:50:08 PM by Ultimatum

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53327: Feb 24th 2018 at 4:04:07 PM

All the Crystal Gems gave themselves internal organs to replicate some human bodily functions (breathing and eating most notably). Either the internals of their Shapeshifter Default Form can be semi-permanently changed on the fly, or they just caused/waited for their next regeneration.

There was also a deleted scene, cut only for time, where Peridot was able to eat
It's still possible they wrote that scene before they came up with the idea that Peridot was completely incapable of shapeshifting. I wouldn't assume it's canon.

edited 24th Feb '18 4:21:53 PM by thatother1dude

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#53328: Feb 27th 2018 at 7:08:56 AM

@53293 That's rather plausible. I had considered the idea that Yellow Diamond had a hand in it before, but the motive for doing so had been difficult to pin down (I played with the idea that YD secretly hated PD, but it's flawed with what we've been shown so far). The idea that YD set it up to put PD in her place but had the whole thing Gone Horribly Right (with Rose being way more of a threat than YD anticipated) is a potentially sensible option.

@53299 Well, I'm sure it'll come out sooner or later, though I've had the theory for a while that Rose was a Death Seeker (fairly certain that I even said that here before), and that having Steven was thus an intentional move on her part. Not so much "deal with her mistakes" (I'm fairly certain Rose never anticipated that Steven would have to deal with Homeworld... after all, she went, what, 5000 years without doing so herself?), but more a way to leave behind the pain she felt over everything.

@53303 Well... there's a pretty good argument that sacrificing herself so that Steven could be born is sacrificing herself to protect a life.

@53320 I still wish that had made it into an episode (even if it was a later one). Amethyst vs. other gems vis-a-vis food is hilarious.

That said, yeah, it does clash with the "no shapeshifting" problem Peri was later established as having. That said, I have wondered if it might just be something that she can later develop (as in, the Era 2 gems were stunted and develop some of the abilities of Era 1 gems later; they mostly just hadn't reached that stage yet).

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#53329: Feb 27th 2018 at 10:13:38 AM

We explicitly know Steven's potential accomplishments were not a reason Rose chose to have him, but I'd like some elaboration on what was. Creating Life Is Awesome is clearly the foundation of it, but why did she think creating one life was worth dying for? Especially compared if she and Greg just adopted, then she'd have a kid she could actually raise.

Maybe it's something we'll never know for sure because Steven can't personally know Rose, but we should eventually get to know what Greg knew. I'd certain hope it was something she discussed with Greg!

Well, I don't think she saw it as dying. She saw it as becoming part of Steven, being reborn and seeing the world through his eyes. What she says about it makes it seem like she had a philosophy similar to what's behind the game Everything hahaha.

I joke about that, but I get the impression Rebecca Sugar is into new age stuff a little bit so I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly right.

Plus gems don't seem to "die" naturally from what we can tell, or even if they do it seems they're so long-lived they don't really think about it. Gems could wrap their mind around murder (shattering), but Rose probably wouldn't have a primal fear for her mortality the same way humans do. She might see Steven as a form of fusion like Garnet does.

edited 27th Feb '18 10:49:39 AM by xanderiskander

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#53330: Feb 27th 2018 at 10:49:47 AM

I'm fond of the theory that Rose basically ascended

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#53331: Feb 27th 2018 at 10:57:26 AM

Re: the cut scene, I think it could still be canon. Perigot's gulp at the end of the scene could easily be interpreted as her getting sick at Amethyst's digestion system explanation and her not being able to do what she described.

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#53332: Feb 27th 2018 at 11:13:53 AM

So you're saying that she would have vomited the food back up? Because otherwise it should still be inside her.

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#53333: Feb 27th 2018 at 11:29:29 AM

Yeah, true.

...Though now I'm imaging a scene where Peridot poofs and bunch of rotten, chewed up cake falls with her gem.

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#53334: Feb 27th 2018 at 1:45:32 PM

If Peri still had that food inside her all that time... if nothing else, you'd think that it would smell after a while.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#53335: Feb 27th 2018 at 4:03:30 PM

Well... there's a pretty good argument that sacrificing herself so that Steven could be born is sacrificing herself to protect a life.
Creating a life can't be morally equivalent to protecting life. Otherwise, people would be morally obligated to reproduce as much as possible. That's not to say sacrificing your own life to create a new one is wrong—just morally neutral.

Well, I don't think she saw it as dying. She saw it as becoming part of Steven, being reborn and seeing the world through his eyes.
She did say that, which I guess would make it a net gain from her perspective. Though I have to wonder if Rose ever thinks "I'm always here for Steven, but he still wishes I was there." (Not that living or seeing necessitates thinking.)

What she says about it makes it seem like she had a philosophy similar to what's behind the game Everything hahaha.

I joke about that, but I get the impression Rebecca Sugar is into new age stuff a little bit so I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly right.

Mentioning indie games reminds me that Sugar was once asked if there were any recent video games she thought were interesting, and so she wrote a brief blurb about The Beginner's Guide—but I don't know what she said, because it was for a French magazine.

Gems could wrap their mind around murder (shattering), but Rose probably wouldn't have a primal fear for her mortality the same way humans do.
Even besides murder, accidental death clearly gives gems a sense of mortality. It even almost happened in the timeframe of the show—Amethyst didn't care, but that says more about her than gems in general. Pearl also insisted that gems don't live forever.

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#53336: Feb 28th 2018 at 4:54:44 PM

Weird idea. while Steven and Connie are away on the Jungle Moon Earth is invaded and occupied by the Gem Empire,unable to return Earth they join Lar's crew and go on more space adventures to recruit Gems to aid them in retaking the Earth

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#53337: Feb 28th 2018 at 11:07:19 PM

Could make a good fanfic, but I don't see it happening in the show.

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#53339: Mar 1st 2018 at 1:44:49 PM

Jennifer compares Lapis leaving without Peridot to an adult on an airplane securing their own oxygen mask before assisting others.

"Y'all hating on Lapis for leaving, like, just hold on. She's just securing her mask."

I find this funny.

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#53340: Mar 1st 2018 at 1:49:24 PM

Ian thinks the writing was on the wall for Lapis leaving as soon as she and Peridot moved in together. "Even when the first get to the barn, there's like some real cracks in that partnership. And then as it goes on, its like there's something weird going on with these two and it might not be 100% healthy."

Remember how before Lapis left, there was a lot of criticism of the barn episodes as ruining Lapis and Peridot's characters? Yeah, bullshit, this was the whole point.

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#53342: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:02:28 PM

Most certainly. Makes all of the fandom controversy over it look outright stupid in hindsight.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53343: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:06:21 PM

I mean, you can't expect people to know how the show is going to go.

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#53344: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:12:47 PM

I don't, I'm just satisfied that the over the top complaints of how Lapidot was "ruining the show" finally faded now that this happened and ultimately strengthened Peridot and Lapis's characters. I distinctly remember hysterical complaints about how the show was just done with them and that they'd never do anything with them ever again, and now this happened.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53345: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:18:02 PM

Complaints about Lapis mostly seemed about how she didn't really do anything ever since she and Peridot moved into the barn. Which is actually something I agree with, her leaving would probably be even better, if she got involved more and we more clearly saw the toxic influence her relationship with Peridot had. And that's not saying it wasn't there, just that they could have showed it better.

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#53346: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:19:02 PM

It'd probably be good to keep in mind for the future that the writers for this show are literally like a season and a half ahead of us at all times.

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#53347: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:19:20 PM

I want Lapis to wind up at zoo and fall for one of the gems there

won't happen though,still a man can dream..

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#53348: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:19:57 PM

There's complaints like that and then outright hyperbolic ones about how "Oh she has no character/personality" (blatantly untrue) or how they were just going to shunt her and Peridot into the barn until the end of the show (which would've made absolutely no sense to do). Trust me, there were a lot of those kind of complaints popping up, it was weird.

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#53349: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:20:59 PM

People have said the same about Jasper and Bismuth, and we already know they're coming back.

But yeah, the fact that Lapis and Peridot's relationship was intended to come off as unnatural and a bit unhealthy and the fandom took it way out of proportion is pretty funny.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53350: Mar 1st 2018 at 2:21:07 PM

There are always going to be people who make baseless complaints like that. It's annoying, but it's better to just ignore them.


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