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@Karkat: Pearl: We can still die.
All examples to the contrary have been unusual, such as experiments or corruption.
I am not talking about corruption.I am only talking about enemies the C Gs have decided to bubble and leave to rot forever. That's it''.
Either they are shattered, meaning the bubbling achieved nothing, or they escape and suffer culture shock, meaning both sides have something horrible happen and so the bubbling achieved less than nothing.
edited 12th Jan '18 8:24:03 PM by Sereg
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What episode was that in?
In that case, I agree that we should stop arguing about curing them, since that's not what Sereg's objections are about. So, everyone, why do you think it's okay for the Crystal Gems to bubble their enemies, when they have no intention of letting them out?
Also, Sereg, if it's not too personal, might I ask what has led you to include that taking someone's consciousness is such a grievous form of torture?
A fair argument, and one I'd give, but the subject hasn't really come up before, has it? Weren't they just going to leave Peridot there? And they haven't really talked about Bismuth since (which I think is a mistake).
edited 12th Jan '18 8:29:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!@Talis: Except the C Gs have made it clear that they have zero intention of ever letting their enemies out.
@Karkat: I am a person who often feels trapped or helpless. The only thing that comforts me in these times is that I still have my mind, and sometimes I worry that it can't b trusted That it is being tricked or manipulated, which terrifies me. Drugs, sensory deprivation, brainwashing, all things that take away the sanctity o thought are horrifying to me.
Everyone dies is the best possible ending of any show...
By bubbling these corrupted and enemy gems, the CG are denying certain fans their happiness...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.They've never been in a position where it's feasible to let their enemies out. They've been hidden and outmatched the entire time. But right now their enemies are safely contained, not suffering at all, and are restorable in an instant if Homeworld ever makes peace with them.
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Okay, thank you. I can see this is clearly a personal issue for you. In the future, I'd very much appreciate it if we could avoid insulting Sereg for this. slimcoder, the "asinine" comment in particular was rather uncalled for.
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is a good explanation for it, it doesn't appear to be one that the Gems use.
That being said, Sereg, how you believe that both Gems and the bubbles have a finite lifespan? If so, do you have an estimate for how long that might be?
I don't think the Crystal Gems think that peace with Homeworld is a possibility. And considering that we're arguing that no time passes for a Gem when bubbled, and the last thing that these Gems will remembered is the war...it is very likely that the Gems don't think that there will ever be a time to let them out.
edited 12th Jan '18 8:40:02 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!@Karkat The Dalek: "We can still get hurt and die" is from "So Many Birthdays".
Also I think Pearl was referring to poofing, not shattering, but whatever
edited 12th Jan '18 8:39:46 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast
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The Gems don't really explain at all, though. You can't say that that's not their motive for bubbling over shattering if we don't know their motive. They've never had to explain, because there hasn't been a single Gem in the show who hasn't implicitly agreed that bubbling is less cruel.
And the bubbling policy has been in place for a while. Even if they don't think peace is possible now, they probably did in the early days of the war. We don't really know, largely because of the Pink issue.
edited 12th Jan '18 8:41:45 PM by IniuriaTalis
Does anyone actually read these?True enough, though I do think we're relying on inference here. I suppose I would like them to address what they plan to do with bubbled Homeworld Gems, if anything.
Regardless, I don't think this discussion is likely to reach anything productive - perhaps we should cut it short?
Oh God! Natural light!If one thinks about it, the only Gem that has so far been shown to be truly "dead" is Rose. Even shattered Gems still seem to retain some of their old personalities. Heck, that one Evil Spirit Scroll that used ink made from crushed Gems was pretty lively too.
Rose? She seems to have suffered Death of Personality when she became half of Steven.
Shattering though is probably as close to death as a Gem can get. Not even Rose's healing powers could restore a wholly shattered gem, though she (and by extension Steven) could repair cracked ones.
Though one has to wonder what a bunch of Rose Quartzes working in tandem or even in a fusion could accomplish...
edited 12th Jan '18 9:12:21 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
If it is at all possible to save them, you probably would at least need to gather the pieces first.
But given that Rose having the power to merely repair a cracked Gem is something extraordinary...like I said it would probably take something a lot more powerful than just Steven if it is possible.
Disgusted, but not surprised> That we know of, yes. There's always the possibility of there being a pre-end of war Gem in there somewhere.
I still think thats's what's locked inside the chest Lion's mane,if the Temple was ever captured by Homeworld forces they would recover all their captured soldiers,having them sealed away in a pocket dimension eliminates that risk entirely.
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverSo...I have a question I want to ask.
Do you guys prefer for Steven Universe to air on CN first or just have the app with all the new episodes? I prefer for it to air on CN. Its the last bastion of variety in that channel. And variety is good and pure.
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Your only valid argument is that bubbling someone could result in culture shock, but that's already a thing that happens to people when they get out of prison. Bubbling someone is just putting them into suspended animation until you decide what to do with them. It's also not the go-to prison for all of Gemkind, as we've seen with the Hand Ship's cells and Topaz.
Bubbling is meant to be a short-term temporary measure, the Crystal Gem's usage of it is a combination of lacking the proper resources to cage all the Corrupted Gems and the fact that, until recently, they thought Corrupted Gems couldn't be reasoned with or rehabilitated.