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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#52926: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:17:36 PM

Your only valid argument is that bubbling someone could result in culture shock, but that's already a thing that happens to people when they get out of prison. Bubbling someone is just putting them into suspended animation until you decide what to do with them. It's also not the go-to prison for all of Gemkind, as we've seen with the Hand Ship's cells and Topaz.

Bubbling is meant to be a short-term temporary measure, the Crystal Gem's usage of it is a combination of lacking the proper resources to cage all the Corrupted Gems and the fact that, until recently, they thought Corrupted Gems couldn't be reasoned with or rehabilitated.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52927: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:20:49 PM

Bear in mind, Sereg literally said "culture shock is one of the most horrifying tortures ever"... How much of a serious argument is really to be found here?

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#52928: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:21:32 PM

I'm not talking about corruption I'm talking about enemies who you plan to never allow to have any pleasant experiences ever again.
If you shatter them, they will 100% never have pleasant experiences again. If you bubble them, then they do have a chance at more pleasant experiences.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52929: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:23:18 PM

I made an important edit.

@Karkat: Pearl: We can still die.

All examples to the contrary have been unusual, such as experiments or corruption.

I am not talking about corruption.I am only talking about enemies the C Gs have decided to bubble and leave to rot forever. That's it''.

Either they are shattered, meaning the bubbling achieved nothing, or they escape and suffer culture shock, meaning both sides have something horrible happen and so the bubbling achieved less than nothing.

edited 12th Jan '18 8:24:03 PM by Sereg

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52930: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:25:32 PM

This topic is asinine.

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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#52931: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:26:00 PM

Or they're released and rehabilitated once there's post-war stability, which is obviously what a show this idealistic is going to do.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#52932: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:26:33 PM

[up][up][up] What episode was that in?

In that case, I agree that we should stop arguing about curing them, since that's not what Sereg's objections are about. So, everyone, why do you think it's okay for the Crystal Gems to bubble their enemies, when they have no intention of letting them out?

Also, Sereg, if it's not too personal, might I ask what has led you to include that taking someone's consciousness is such a grievous form of torture?

[up] A fair argument, and one I'd give, but the subject hasn't really come up before, has it? Weren't they just going to leave Peridot there? And they haven't really talked about Bismuth since (which I think is a mistake).

edited 12th Jan '18 8:29:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52933: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:28:52 PM

I mean, all in all it still seems to be the most humane thing to do. It's certainly not ideal but considering they were in a war nothing was going to be ideal.

edited 12th Jan '18 8:34:08 PM by LSBK

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#52934: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:31:17 PM

It's basically killing them (which is inevitable when there's a war with an entire planet at stake), except with no pain or suffering, and it's also reversible if they ever are in a position where letting the prisoners free is safe.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52935: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:33:08 PM

@Talis: Except the C Gs have made it clear that they have zero intention of ever letting their enemies out.

@Karkat: I am a person who often feels trapped or helpless. The only thing that comforts me in these times is that I still have my mind, and sometimes I worry that it can't b trusted That it is being tricked or manipulated, which terrifies me. Drugs, sensory deprivation, brainwashing, all things that take away the sanctity o thought are horrifying to me.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52936: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:36:20 PM

Everyone dies is the best possible ending of any show...

By bubbling these corrupted and enemy gems, the CG are denying certain fans their happiness...

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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#52937: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:36:58 PM

They've never been in a position where it's feasible to let their enemies out. They've been hidden and outmatched the entire time. But right now their enemies are safely contained, not suffering at all, and are restorable in an instant if Homeworld ever makes peace with them.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#52938: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:37:27 PM

[up][up][up] Okay, thank you. I can see this is clearly a personal issue for you. In the future, I'd very much appreciate it if we could avoid insulting Sereg for this. slimcoder, the "asinine" comment in particular was rather uncalled for.

I must admit, Sereg does have a point here - while I do think that [up][up][up][up] is a good explanation for it, it doesn't appear to be one that the Gems use.

That being said, Sereg, how you believe that both Gems and the bubbles have a finite lifespan? If so, do you have an estimate for how long that might be?

[up] I don't think the Crystal Gems think that peace with Homeworld is a possibility. And considering that we're arguing that no time passes for a Gem when bubbled, and the last thing that these Gems will remembered is the war...it is very likely that the Gems don't think that there will ever be a time to let them out.

edited 12th Jan '18 8:40:02 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#52939: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:39:10 PM

@Karkat The Dalek: "We can still get hurt and die" is from "So Many Birthdays".

Also I think Pearl was referring to poofing, not shattering, but whatever

edited 12th Jan '18 8:39:46 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#52940: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:40:18 PM

[up][up]The Gems don't really explain at all, though. You can't say that that's not their motive for bubbling over shattering if we don't know their motive. They've never had to explain, because there hasn't been a single Gem in the show who hasn't implicitly agreed that bubbling is less cruel.

And the bubbling policy has been in place for a while. Even if they don't think peace is possible now, they probably did in the early days of the war. We don't really know, largely because of the Pink issue.

edited 12th Jan '18 8:41:45 PM by IniuriaTalis

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#52941: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:44:23 PM

True enough, though I do think we're relying on inference here. I suppose I would like them to address what they plan to do with bubbled Homeworld Gems, if anything.

Regardless, I don't think this discussion is likely to reach anything productive - perhaps we should cut it short?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#52942: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:48:58 PM

Isn't there literally only one uncorrupted gem in a bubble with the Crystal Gems: Bismuth?

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#52943: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:53:37 PM

[up] That we know of, yes. There's always the possibility of there being a pre-end of war Gem in there somewhere.

On an unrelated note, I really hope Save The Light comes to Switch. I wanna play it so bad.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#52944: Jan 12th 2018 at 9:09:09 PM

If one thinks about it, the only Gem that has so far been shown to be truly "dead" is Rose. Even shattered Gems still seem to retain some of their old personalities. Heck, that one Evil Spirit Scroll that used ink made from crushed Gems was pretty lively too.

Rose? She seems to have suffered Death of Personality when she became half of Steven.

Shattering though is probably as close to death as a Gem can get. Not even Rose's healing powers could restore a wholly shattered gem, though she (and by extension Steven) could repair cracked ones.

Though one has to wonder what a bunch of Rose Quartzes working in tandem or even in a fusion could accomplish...

edited 12th Jan '18 9:12:21 PM by M84

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#52945: Jan 13th 2018 at 5:36:37 AM

[up] I wonder if i'd be possible to save a shattered gem if you could find all their pieces?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#52946: Jan 13th 2018 at 5:43:38 AM

[up] If it is at all possible to save them, you probably would at least need to gather the pieces first.

But given that Rose having the power to merely repair a cracked Gem is something extraordinary...like I said it would probably take something a lot more powerful than just Steven if it is possible.

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#52947: Jan 13th 2018 at 5:55:31 AM

> That we know of, yes. There's always the possibility of there being a pre-end of war Gem in there somewhere.

I still think thats's what's locked inside the chest Lion's mane,if the Temple was ever captured by Homeworld forces they would recover all their captured soldiers,having them sealed away in a pocket dimension eliminates that risk entirely.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52948: Jan 13th 2018 at 7:21:46 AM

I wonder if i'd be possible to save a shattered gem if you could find all their pieces?
If it were possible, the key phrase there would probably be "all their pieces". Depending on circumstances of the shattering, that's probably easier said than done.

edited 13th Jan '18 7:22:03 AM by sgamer82

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#52949: Jan 13th 2018 at 8:18:34 AM

So...I have a question I want to ask.

Do you guys prefer for Steven Universe to air on CN first or just have the app with all the new episodes? I prefer for it to air on CN. Its the last bastion of variety in that channel. And variety is good and pure.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52950: Jan 13th 2018 at 9:23:15 AM

Both are functionally the same for me, but I'd prefer if episodes came out at least a day apart, because otherwise discussion of one episode tends completely overshadow the others.


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