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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#52876: Jan 12th 2018 at 1:59:46 AM

I guess Greg doesn't count.

In that case, I'll go with Onion too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#52877: Jan 12th 2018 at 7:09:19 AM

I like Mr. Smiley!

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#52878: Jan 12th 2018 at 7:16:39 AM

[former] mayor Dewey

Edit:There is SOMETHING i wanna talk about because it surprised me, this flower

Now I know Jungles tend to have colourful plants,but as soon as I saw the yellow and pink parts of the flower I knew there this episode would have something related to Pink Diamond ,it's an interesting bit of foreshadowing I think

edited 12th Jan '18 8:19:57 AM by Ultimatum

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#52879: Jan 12th 2018 at 10:06:56 AM

Connie probably doesn't count since she doesn't live in Beach City itself, so I guess I'll go with Sadie. Oh! Or Kiki!

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52880: Jan 12th 2018 at 10:08:12 AM

I'd say Connie doesn't count because, unlike the townies, she's been knee deep in Crystal Gem business from day one.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#52881: Jan 12th 2018 at 10:09:49 AM

That makes sense.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52882: Jan 12th 2018 at 11:08:19 AM

unlike the townies, she's been knee deep in Crystal Gem business from day one.
I don't think "day one" is accurate. She wasn't voluntarily involved with a mission until "Ocean Gem", which was her fourth major appearance, and even that was an outlier until she became Pearl's apprentice.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52883: Jan 12th 2018 at 11:21:56 AM

Her first episode had her trapped with Steven in his Rose Bubble and I think that we the same ep he fixed her vision, but I could be wrong there.

edited 12th Jan '18 11:22:03 AM by sgamer82

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52884: Jan 12th 2018 at 11:48:27 AM

Very wrong...

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52885: Jan 12th 2018 at 11:49:48 AM

So the eye fix came later, then. She's still been more associated with Steven and the Crystal Gems than Beach City since her introduction. The episode where she probably interacted with townies the most featured her trying to be a Crystal Gem

[down] Don't know. Don't care. Staying out of it.

edited 12th Jan '18 11:52:25 AM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52886: Jan 12th 2018 at 11:50:54 AM

Going back a bit, I'm still confused as to how someone can consider stasis worst than death. And that's ignoring that shattering a gem seems to be less "death" (at least not always) and more "constant torture, with your consciousness fractured into unfixable pieces."

edited 12th Jan '18 11:51:19 AM by LSBK

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#52887: Jan 12th 2018 at 11:53:05 AM

Have we ever seen a shattered gem that wasn't subsequently experimented on and turned into a monster? Because those might not be the best baseline for what exactly shattering is.

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#52888: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:00:38 PM

The ones that the Crystal Gems were keeping.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#52889: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:02:24 PM

...Which ones were those, again?

Oh God! Natural light!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52890: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:05:47 PM

Their stated to be all corrupted like Centipeedle who's no longer there.

Aside from Bismuth.

edited 12th Jan '18 12:06:12 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#52891: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:08:51 PM

[up][up] The shards Pearl was examining (and the gang accidentally released) in "Secret Team".

edited 12th Jan '18 12:10:11 PM by Blueeyedrat

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52892: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:12:28 PM

@LSBK: Because it is denying you your right to even think never mind do anything else, while still keeping you around in order to deny your agency more.

That's before we get into the fact that, inevitably, bubbles don't last forever, because nothing does, so either you are still shattered, but the process has been drawn out over enormous amounts of time instead of getting it over with, or you escape, meaning that the bubbling didn't achieve anything but send you to a point where everything you know has changed, forcing you into traumatic culture shock.

EDIT: As such, you have effectively tortured their mind for no reason.

edited 12th Jan '18 12:13:50 PM by Sereg

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52893: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:20:52 PM

That's a very strange argument, and comes off as equally weak.

Because personally, I'd choice bubbling or "traumatic culture shock" which you're just assuming they're going to go through, over death. Because death is, well, permanent there's no getting used to it or second chances. Arguing that bubbling is worse precisely because you can go back makes no sense.

More to the point, while their bubbled nothing is happening to their minds, whereas we've seen with being shattered that very much is not the case, and they can't fix it. And there's a "lack of agency" either way. The corrupted gems, at the very least are incapable of making informed choices, and for prisoners of war, by definition have no agency.

Really, it seems like for every point you bring against bubbling shattering is just worse in every regard.

edited 12th Jan '18 12:23:32 PM by LSBK

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#52894: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:24:02 PM

Being unable not to think, while being in horrific agony, is probably a worse torture than effectively being asleep, in my book.

edited 12th Jan '18 12:28:39 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#52895: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:27:23 PM

Its just Gemquivalent of cryogenic suspension.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52896: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:56:44 PM

She's still been more associated with Steven and the Crystal Gems than Beach City since her introduction.
Connie's never been associated with Beach City because she doesn't live there, and originally only came there to visit Steven. But Connie's initial interactions with the other gems were mostly from proximity because of said visits—her literal first episode only had her talking to the gems for a few seconds (Steven and Connie tried to reach the temple first, but couldn't roll the bubble uphill). She only really started having a defined relationship with Amethyst, Garnet, or Pearl (or Greg) around late season one, early season two.

Her first episode had her trapped with Steven in his Rose Bubble
The Cool Kids' first episode had them, along with Lars, getting smothered by Rose's plants. Peedee's intro had him and Steven turning a mascot suit into a golem. In Onion's first major role, he was the one who caused the trouble the Crystal Gems were facing!

Steven brought magic weirdness into the live of his muggle friends since the beginning (moreso in the beginning, actually). Connie was different because she was interested in it, and eventually started seeking it out.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52897: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:59:01 PM

[up] Okay, fair point on the cool kids etc, but for Connie you mostly make my point for me. Even if it's just by proximity, she's still associated more with the Crystal Gems than Beach City, regardless of the actual reason.

edited 12th Jan '18 12:59:12 PM by sgamer82

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52898: Jan 12th 2018 at 7:11:45 PM

Eowyn: I fear neither death nor pain.

Aragorn: What do you fear?

Eowyn: A cage.

It's this logic, only more. A cage imprisons your body. A bubble imprisons not only that, but your mind. Death's permanency is not a point against it IMO. In fact, it's a point for it, because there is no chance of you becoming an enemy again and no chance of yet more suffering to happen to you afterward.

Plus, bubbling solves literally nothing. It's just a delaying tactic, meaning that using it on an enemy is just adding another unnecessary punishment to them on top of what would happen to them otherwise. Every gem will shatter. By choosing to bubble them instead of shattering them, you are just making them suffer two things instead of one and aren't saving them from shattering at all. If they escape, not only have you been ineffective at stopping them, which is the supposed point of bubbling an enemy (thus making bubbling an utterly useless action), but you have subjected them to yet additional conflict and mental trauma they will suffer after escaping.

EDIT: I am unconvinced by the evidence so far that a shattered gem isn't dead. And if it isn't, it doesn't change it from being inevitable and thus utterly pointless to try avoid.

edited 12th Jan '18 7:13:37 PM by Sereg

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52899: Jan 12th 2018 at 7:15:14 PM

I have to say...that logical sounds pretty twisted to me.

Like, everyone is going to die and everyone is likely going to have something shitty happen to them or someone they know before that. By the same token you could argue we all might as well kill ourselves before given the chance. And, yes, that's extreme, but it's the most comparable thing to what you're saying.

Edit:

I am unconvinced by the evidence so far that a shattered gem isn't dead. And if it isn't, it doesn't change it from being inevitable and thus utterly pointless to try avoid.

I mean, like with this. You might as well argue that all medical care and research is pointless and shouldn't be bothered with because people aren't immortal.

edited 12th Jan '18 7:16:57 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52900: Jan 12th 2018 at 7:15:48 PM

I don't think your conscious while bubbled.

It seems like a deep sleep or an on/off switch kinda state.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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