[former] mayor Dewey
Edit:There is SOMETHING i wanna talk about because it surprised me, this flower
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Now I know Jungles tend to have colourful plants,but as soon as I saw the yellow and pink parts of the flower I knew there this episode would have something related to Pink Diamond ,it's an interesting bit of foreshadowing I think
edited 12th Jan '18 8:19:57 AM by Ultimatum
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverSo the eye fix came later, then. She's still been more associated with Steven and the Crystal Gems than Beach City since her introduction. The episode where she probably interacted with townies the most featured her trying to be a Crystal Gem
Don't know. Don't care. Staying out of it.
edited 12th Jan '18 11:52:25 AM by sgamer82
Going back a bit, I'm still confused as to how someone can consider stasis worst than death. And that's ignoring that shattering a gem seems to be less "death" (at least not always) and more "constant torture, with your consciousness fractured into unfixable pieces."
edited 12th Jan '18 11:51:19 AM by LSBK
Have we ever seen a shattered gem that wasn't subsequently experimented on and turned into a monster? Because those might not be the best baseline for what exactly shattering is.
Oh God! Natural light!@LSBK: Because it is denying you your right to even think never mind do anything else, while still keeping you around in order to deny your agency more.
That's before we get into the fact that, inevitably, bubbles don't last forever, because nothing does, so either you are still shattered, but the process has been drawn out over enormous amounts of time instead of getting it over with, or you escape, meaning that the bubbling didn't achieve anything but send you to a point where everything you know has changed, forcing you into traumatic culture shock.
EDIT: As such, you have effectively tortured their mind for no reason.
edited 12th Jan '18 12:13:50 PM by Sereg
That's a very strange argument, and comes off as equally weak.
Because personally, I'd choice bubbling or "traumatic culture shock" which you're just assuming they're going to go through, over death. Because death is, well, permanent there's no getting used to it or second chances. Arguing that bubbling is worse precisely because you can go back makes no sense.
More to the point, while their bubbled nothing is happening to their minds, whereas we've seen with being shattered that very much is not the case, and they can't fix it. And there's a "lack of agency" either way. The corrupted gems, at the very least are incapable of making informed choices, and for prisoners of war, by definition have no agency.
Really, it seems like for every point you bring against bubbling shattering is just worse in every regard.
edited 12th Jan '18 12:23:32 PM by LSBK
Being unable not to think, while being in horrific agony, is probably a worse torture than effectively being asleep, in my book.
edited 12th Jan '18 12:28:39 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Steven brought magic weirdness into the live of his muggle friends since the beginning (moreso in the beginning, actually). Connie was different because she was interested in it, and eventually started seeking it out.
Eowyn: I fear neither death nor pain.
Aragorn: What do you fear?
Eowyn: A cage.
It's this logic, only more. A cage imprisons your body. A bubble imprisons not only that, but your mind. Death's permanency is not a point against it IMO. In fact, it's a point for it, because there is no chance of you becoming an enemy again and no chance of yet more suffering to happen to you afterward.
Plus, bubbling solves literally nothing. It's just a delaying tactic, meaning that using it on an enemy is just adding another unnecessary punishment to them on top of what would happen to them otherwise. Every gem will shatter. By choosing to bubble them instead of shattering them, you are just making them suffer two things instead of one and aren't saving them from shattering at all. If they escape, not only have you been ineffective at stopping them, which is the supposed point of bubbling an enemy (thus making bubbling an utterly useless action), but you have subjected them to yet additional conflict and mental trauma they will suffer after escaping.
EDIT: I am unconvinced by the evidence so far that a shattered gem isn't dead. And if it isn't, it doesn't change it from being inevitable and thus utterly pointless to try avoid.
edited 12th Jan '18 7:13:37 PM by Sereg
I have to say...that logical sounds pretty twisted to me.
Like, everyone is going to die and everyone is likely going to have something shitty happen to them or someone they know before that. By the same token you could argue we all might as well kill ourselves before given the chance. And, yes, that's extreme, but it's the most comparable thing to what you're saying.
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I mean, like with this. You might as well argue that all medical care and research is pointless and shouldn't be bothered with because people aren't immortal.
edited 12th Jan '18 7:16:57 PM by LSBK

I guess Greg doesn't count.
In that case, I'll go with Onion too.
Disgusted, but not surprised