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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52851: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:27:42 PM

Probably not what you were after ~Son Of Sharknado, but I did a quick search for "pink Diamond defend colony tumblr yellow" and found this cute little Pink pic https://goo.gl/images/JZuu12

edited 11th Jan '18 11:31:27 PM by sgamer82

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52852: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:27:54 PM

What's the point in exaggerating Connie's position...? Nobody would've died in either scenario...

I’m not exaggerating it. Yellow Diamond wants to destroy Earth. Dismissing an attempt to save it because it hurt your feelings means you think it’s better for Earth to be destroyed, by necessity.

I think it's safe to say at this point what we have here is a case of what I refer to as "over the top vitriol" towards Connie Maheswaran.

Wrong. I love Connie. She’s one of my favourite characters. Her, Pearl and Lapis are my top three. That’s part of why it’s infuriating for her to act so terribly.

...Connie couldn't do anything. She was fifty feet under him when Steven decided to turn himself in.

Which makes her argument even more ridiculous.

edited 11th Jan '18 11:28:29 PM by Sereg

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52853: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:33:04 PM

Steven turning himself in as Rosey doesn't stop YD from wanting to destroy Earth, so it's pretty whatever either way.

Steven turning himself in as Rosey doesn't save the Earth in anyway, it could have potentially made every CG effort to save the Earth pointless.

Exaggerations all over the place.

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#52854: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:34:05 PM

Ya know if this is just gonna be another derail like all of the several other times Connie has been given the Ron the Death Eater treatment than I'd suggest calling in the mods to make it stop.

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#52855: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:38:38 PM

Hey wait, isn't Sereg the same person who kept insisting that shattering is better than bubbling?

...I just brought all that up again, didn't I?

edited 11th Jan '18 11:40:23 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52856: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:40:16 PM

I remember that conversation, but not who was the instigator of it. If so, suppose that's even more reason not to pay their posts much heed.

[up] If so, we'll know doom enough if you're remembering right.

edited 11th Jan '18 11:41:18 PM by sgamer82

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#52857: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:41:34 PM

[up][up] That is seriously something someone suggested?

Shattering is death if not worse, since there's a chance you ended up a horrific fused Frankenstein's Monster gem thing.

Bubbling just effectively puts you in stasis. Judging by the behavior of bubbled gems after being freed they don't notice the passage of time either.

[down] I concur, very much so.

edited 11th Jan '18 11:47:46 PM by M84

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52858: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:44:58 PM

[up] I'll say only that I checked posting history and yes. Yes it is. Now Let Us Never Speak of This Again

edited 11th Jan '18 11:45:09 PM by sgamer82

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52859: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:45:49 PM

The past is terrible times.

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#52860: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:50:21 PM

[up][up][up] Yep. The ensuing discussion was one of the few times I went "just move on already" over something.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52861: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:56:23 PM

Yes, I said that. Yes, I consider stasis worse than death.

Anyway

Ya know if this is just gonna be another derail like all of the several other times Connie has been given the Ron the Death Eater treatment than I'd suggest calling in the mods to make it stop.

I don't consider this a derail as it's what we were discussing an is relevant to the topic of the thread and I like Connie and only think she's in the wrong at this particular point.

Steven turning himself in as Rosey doesn't stop YD from wanting to destroy Earth, so it's pretty whatever either way. Steven turning himself in as Rosey doesn't save the Earth in anyway, it could have potentially made every CG effort to save the Earth pointless. Exaggerations all over the place.

Steven thought it would save Earth and the fact that it would not have is not Connie's objection, so that's irrelevant. Connie's objection is that she wants to fight together, even if they lose, instead of not fighting together to ensure a victory. That's petty, selfish and negligent of everyone else who would suffer and die from the loss.

What would have happened is not relevant to their argument. Their perceptions of the possibilities is what is relevant. Steven did what he believed would save everyone. Conniesaid that saving everyone is a bad thing to do and it is better for people to not be saved if it is the way they get to fight alongside each other. That is the important thing and why Connie is in the wrong.

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#52862: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:00:10 AM

This is a derail when numerous people have expressed that they don't want to have this conversation again and don't want to engage in this kind of discourse. Knock it off.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52863: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:01:55 AM

Steven's decision was a short term solution to save a few people from being captured. There's no possible way he could've thought it would save the world...that's actually dumb.

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#52864: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:05:51 AM

Connie's objection is that she wants to fight together, even if they lose, instead of not fighting together to ensure a victory.

Connie never insinuated that. Even if you take it to mean that Connie never thought/realized they could lose even if they fought together, that would be more being naive(?) than anything.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52865: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:10:21 AM

This is a derail when numerous people have expressed that they don't want to have this conversation again and don't want to engage in this kind of discourse. Knock it off.

Fair. Except that I’m still being responded to, which proves that people DO want to discuss it with me.

Connie never insinuated that.

That’s the message I got from her. If that’s not what she meant, the show failed to send me that message. The message I got was, "I don't care if fighting together means it is impossible for us to win and your plan was guaranteed to win! I want to fight together anyway and you had no right to deny me that!"

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52866: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:13:29 AM

His plan wasn't guaranteed to work, why do you keep saying that?

It's like you're convinced that it was...

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52867: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:21:18 AM

No. I'm saying that that does not matter. The only thing that matters is that Connie did not care whether or not it would work. She only cared about the fact that they did not fight together. She was effectively saying that he had no right to change their plans, even if it resulted in going from guaranteed failure to guaranteed victory. She's saying that he had no right to care more about the lives of other people than about fighting alongside her. That is what I'm objecting to. I'm objecting to Connie's priorities.

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#52868: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:32:02 AM

"Oh no, my favorite character is a complex character capable of being unreasonable and not adhering perfectly to my splitting-heavy views. WORST EPISODE."

i guess you can watch me shitpost i guess
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52869: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:33:08 AM

Oh, okay.

Sorry, that wasn't clear before...

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#52870: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:33:09 AM

even if it resulted in going from guaranteed failure to guaranteed victory.

I believe this is what randomness is referring to.

Also, I'm not sure what your definition of "victory" is, but "I'm gonna say I'm my mom and turn myself in, where I am most likely going to die" definitely ain't mine.


[up][up] Oh, there's actually a word for that. Neat.

edited 12th Jan '18 12:38:11 AM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52871: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:41:18 AM

@Oceanstuck: No. I did say that Perl, who has done really terible things before, is one of my fave characters. Stop projecting. What makes it bad is that not only is it out of character for Connie to behave like that, the show treats her awful opinion as correct.

And I'm defining "victory" as "the condition that results in Earth being saved". The fact that that's not what would have happened is irrelevant to the characters' priorities.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#52872: Jan 12th 2018 at 1:04:54 AM

I vote we move on from this. Clearly we're at an impasse.

edited 12th Jan '18 1:06:52 AM by M84

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#52873: Jan 12th 2018 at 1:45:37 AM

[up] Agreed.

In an attempt to change the subject, who is everyone's favorite Beach City citizen? Mine is Onion.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52874: Jan 12th 2018 at 1:47:40 AM

The beach itself.

The characters are unnecessary...

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52875: Jan 12th 2018 at 1:55:02 AM

If Connie does not count, then Sour Cream, followed by Nanefua.


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