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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52826: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:21:35 PM

Connie's feelings were irrational there. She was being selfish.She had decided it was a personal offense that Steven thought that the two of them working together to result in them losing and everyone on Earth being murdered was a better outcome than Steven taking matters into his own hands to ensure that everyone else survived. That is selfish, irrational and IMO evil.

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#52827: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:23:24 PM

Connie knew that was a possibility and was prepared for it. It was the entire point of all their training and their promises to each other that they've made for 4 seasons.

She's got every right to be upset.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52828: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:27:58 PM

Yeah, Sereg, getting a bit hyperbolic there.

Anyway, think of it like if say a husband gave up himself to protect his wife even though the two of them had promised they'd face all of their issues together. The wife in that situation would very much have a right to be upset at her husband making such a decision without her, especially after they've expressly said they'd handle everything together as partners. That's what happened here.

Obviously Connie and Steven aren't married, but the feeling is very much the same and Steven doing it to protect Connie doesn't make up for that betrayal.

edited 11th Jan '18 6:28:23 PM by LSBK

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#52829: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:30:37 PM

He foresook the jam buddies song

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#52830: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:30:40 PM

It's almost as if Both Sides Have a Point in this argument. Much like many fights couples have. Them being able to work through it eventually (and by eventually I mean it took two episodes) is actually pretty important to their development as individuals and as a team.

And since, as I mentioned before, this is a series where relationships are so important they manifest as a powerup, this makes them stronger too.

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#52831: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:32:06 PM

I think it's important to note that she doesn't get really angry at Steven until he repeatedly dismisses her feelings

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#52832: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:04:12 PM

[up] This. If Connie were only upset that Steven didn't team with her to fight a hopeless battle, it'd probably be the stupidest thing on the show.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#52833: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:05:55 PM

Innocently Insensitive is still being insensitive, after all. Connie being upset about this is perfectly understandable.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52834: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:07:14 PM

[up][up][up][up]Not really, there's no reason for Steven to have thought A.Marine wouldn't have just kept all the humans.

There's no reason that she shouldn't have kept all the humans even with her wanting so quickly to get off Earth, she should've seen getting Rose as a bonus because their mission was still to get the humans.

The only type of reason that allows Steven's sacrifice to work is if it's to stop everyone from being killed or hurt.

edited 11th Jan '18 7:07:38 PM by randomness4

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#52835: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:15:34 PM

[up] Aquamarine didn't care about the mission. She considered it beneath her and only did it because she was ordered to.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52836: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:33:49 PM

Yes. She wanted off Earth very quickly and it wouldn't have taken very long regardless because of her broken wand's OP-ness

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52837: Jan 11th 2018 at 9:24:25 PM

Aquamarine saw Rose as a more valuable target than the humans and a more serious threat than the other Crystal Gems, if only by reputation. Even that small risk of Rose escaping was not worth taking the humans.

It's funny that I'm saying this, when earlier I was pointing out Aquamarine could have taken everyone anyway. My real point being that all options were terrible—and even if they weren't equally terrible, the question of "Which was better?" has no clear answer and is largely besides the point of Steven and Connie's argument.

Even if Steven's decision was a mistake, it was a reasonable one, but he was clearly wrong in several other ways:

  1. As mentioned before, dismissing Connie's feelings (which was way worse than her initial complaint that he overlooked them).
  2. Not even acknowledging that it could have been a mistake.
  3. Justifying his actions as a necessity, not because a comparative assessment of different options (i.e. "As strong as we are together, we still have out limits."), but a misplaced sense of responsibility ("This whole thing was my fault").
  4. Doing all of the above because he thought, by pretending things were better than they were, he would make people feel better.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52838: Jan 11th 2018 at 9:43:57 PM

At this point, the only reason I'm saying A.Marine should've still taken more humans as a consequence for Steven's decision is for the purpose of not ignoring the Lars stuff that could still happen and acting like Steven and Connie's quarrel was more important.

Because it wasn't, Steven realized he was wrong the very episode Connie brought it up and the only thing stopping stuff from being resolved is them not being able to contact each other for cute reasons.

edited 11th Jan '18 9:44:45 PM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52839: Jan 11th 2018 at 9:49:49 PM

Unrelated, but randomness, you're posting a lot more coherently now. What's up with that?

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#52840: Jan 11th 2018 at 9:52:19 PM

Well of course he'd think thought he was right till someone challenged him on it & made him think about what he did in clearer details.

We usually don't put much thought into or realize/consider the deeper implications of our actions till someone calls us out & makes us introspect.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52841: Jan 11th 2018 at 10:08:27 PM

[up][up]I know I don't normally type in detail about things I'd rather see happening plot wise...but this is one of the times I just felt like it.

If I'm typing longer post, then it's definitely necessary.

[up]He didn't think about it until the end of the episode where he realized the same thing happened to him.

edited 11th Jan '18 10:09:22 PM by randomness4

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#52842: Jan 11th 2018 at 10:29:21 PM

Has anyone seen that tumblr post of Pink Diamond freaking her shit over Yellow and Blue shattering one of her gems and standing in front of the rest of her colony defensively? I saw it once and I loved it but now I can't find it again.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52843: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:09:08 PM

Connie knew that was a possibility and was prepared for it. It was the entire point of all their training and their promises to each other that they've made for 4 seasons. She's got every right to be upset.

Being prepared for the possibility of something does not give you the right to allow it to happen. She has no right to be upset.

Yeah, Sereg, getting a bit hyperbolic there. Anyway, think of it like if say a husband gave up himself to protect his wife even though the two of them had promised they'd face all of their issues together. The wife in that situation would very much have a right to be upset at her husband making such a decision without her, especially after they've expressly said they'd handle everything together as partners. That's what happened here. Obviously Connie and Steven aren't married, but the feeling is very much the same and Steven doing it to protect Connie doesn't make up for that betrayal.

That would not be a betrayal. The wife is the traitor in that situation. Connie betrayed not only Steven, but every living thing n Earth by deciding that she wanted every last one of them to die, just so that she could have a few more seconds of fighting a losing battle alongside Steven.

I think it's important to note that she doesn't get really angry at Steven until he repeatedly dismisses her feelings

Because her feelings are worth dismissing. They only exist because she has dismissed the feelings of every other inhabitant on Earth and decided that hers are the only important ones.

This. If Connie were only upset that Steven didn't team with her to fight a hopeless battle, it'd probably be the stupidest thing on the show.

That’s what she was doing. What makes it the stupidest thing in the show is the show treating her as right.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52844: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:15:24 PM

What's the point in exaggerating Connie's position...?

Nobody would've died in either scenario...

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52845: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:22:07 PM

[up][up]I think it's safe to say at this point what we have here is a case of what I refer to as "over the top vitriol" towards Connie Maheswaran.

Symptoms include casting any and all actions in the worst possibly light, above and far beyond any negative portrayal, if any, the story itself might intend.

If left untreated, the patient may suffer from no longer being taken seriously as most people simply wave off any negative statements of "of they just hate (insert character name here), just ignore them."

Primary prescriptions include chill pills and perspective.


More seriously, you effectively lost me for good at "Because her feelings are worth dismissing."
[down]Didn't Connie try to suggest fusing while they were still in the ship?

edited 11th Jan '18 11:24:13 PM by sgamer82

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#52846: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:22:20 PM

...Connie couldn't do anything. She was fifty feet under him when Steven decided to turn himself in.


[up] She did, but I interpreted the first part of [up][up][up] to be about after Steven had turned himself in, not when they were on the ship.

edited 11th Jan '18 11:35:15 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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#52847: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:23:08 PM

...I just wanted to find my Pink Diamond post...

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#52848: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:23:57 PM

Sorry Sharknado, but you kinda came in at the wrong time.

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#52849: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:24:49 PM

Yeah, I can kinda see that now. Lordy loo.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52850: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:26:28 PM

It's always the wrong time when SU is involved...

How neat...

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