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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52301: Nov 20th 2017 at 5:39:56 AM

> Or the Crystal Gems told Greg. He mentioned back in "The Return" that he knew about the war.

That certainly is possible

Anyway,with bands,I feel like with bands their names should short and memorable 'Sadie Killer and the Working Dead' is bit of a mouthful,"Dead Beats" works in this case

Or just Working Dead,you could go with Sadie Killers

edited 20th Nov '17 5:43:39 AM by Ultimatum

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#52302: Nov 20th 2017 at 5:44:36 AM

I think "The Working Dead" can work as part of a larger name, although "Dead Beats" might be the better choice here.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#52303: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:59:18 AM

@52250 Hmm... if Connie had gone with Steven to Homeworld, and especially if they fused into Stevonnie there, I think it would have gone worse. The fact that humans could fuse with gems (even if, due to his unique situation, Steven is the only one that could, not that Homeworld would cotton onto that) would probably freak out Homeworld enough that they might say "Screw waiting for the Cluster - nuke the planet from orbit NOW." Fusion already weirds out Homeworld - imagine the collective Bowel-Breaking Bricks human/gem fusion would have produced.

@52251 Not so much "bothered" as the fact that Steven could just as easily have described what was going on between him and Connie at that time with the same words and he didn't notice.

@52271 Well, to be fair, there might be a limit as to just how much Steven can heal. I mean, we do know one practical limit in that he cannot heal The Corruption - he can hold it at bay for a limited time, but he can't totally reverse it and even what he can do wears off eventually. We know he can heal a cracked gem, but a shattered one may be beyond his ability (or it might require all of the shards). As for the unfortunate fusion experiments/The Cluster, even if he can heal just portions of the shards (which isn't guaranteed), they'd still probably have to shatter however Homeworld forcibly fused them together (the Body Horror of which just gets worse the more I think about it... in retrospect, it's frankly amazing that the shock and stress of that didn't cause Garnet to defuse).

@52279 From the way she described it, I think that dislike was always there, just subsumed because of her fondness of Lars. She may not have articulated it before, but I got the impression that she never really liked it.

@52281 Hmm... as it happened, I just rewatched "Ocean Gem" yesterday, and Pearl does specifically say "Who knew the gem trapped in the mirror was that powerful?" The way she said it implied that she knew someone was trapped in there, and the only thing that took her by surprise was Lapis' power. Some of the other dialogue and reactions in that episode strongly hint that Garnet and Amethyst similarly knew that someone was in there. That said, even if the Crystal Gems didn't know, it seems reasonable that Lapis (who was a bit subject to

As for whether Rose would keep Lapis trapped... that might have been a "least bad" option to her. She almost certainly knew that Lapis wasn't a Crystal Gem, but she didn't know how strongly Lapis was a loyalist, or whether or not Lapis had been corrupted. That, and we've gotten several hints that Rose Quartz wasn't the All-Loving Hero that she was initially presented as.

As for why Homeworld gems are so loyal to the Diamond Authority - gems are literally indoctrinated from their creation. Breaking away from indoctrination is extremely tough, particularly when you don't have anyone guiding you. Deprogramming is generally not a fast or instant process. Look back at "The Answer" - Ruby was willing to go back when she knew that she would be shattered for doing so because her loyalty to Blue Diamond was that hard-coded.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52304: Nov 20th 2017 at 8:15:13 AM

Since Sadie is the singer she'd become the face of the band,so having her name in title somewhere makes perfect sense

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#52305: Nov 20th 2017 at 10:05:25 AM

Something I noticed is that Dewey needs a job, and Sadie conveniently just quit hers. Hmmm...!

edited 20th Nov '17 10:05:49 AM by xanderiskander

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52307: Nov 20th 2017 at 11:34:44 AM

if Connie had gone with Steven to Homeworld, and especially if they fused into Stevonnie there, I think it would have gone worse. The fact that humans could fuse with gems (even if, due to his unique situation, Steven is the only one that could, not that Homeworld would cotton onto that) would probably freak out Homeworld enough that they might say "Screw waiting for the Cluster - nuke the planet from orbit NOW." Fusion already weirds out Homeworld - imagine the collective Bowel-Breaking Bricks human/gem fusion would have produced.
Jasper was disgusted that "Rose" fused with a human, but didn't dwell on it—and she hates fusion entirely. Her wording ("You crystal gems would even fuse with a human!?") implies she was more surprised by the willingness than the ability.

While Homeworld gems have a narrow view of the how/why/when, they still view fusion as a normal thing and the inability to do so as abnormal. A gem being able to fuse with a human is probably more surprising to a human than a Homeworld gem, even if it's less likely to offend them.

Since Sadie is the singer she'd become the face of the band,so having her name in title somewhere makes perfect sense
And she was specifically offered a place as "front man".

Something I noticed is that Dewey needs a job, and Sadie conveniently just quit hers. Hmmm...!
The idea's come up before. I still think "Dewey's Donuts" has a nice ring to it.

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#52308: Nov 20th 2017 at 11:35:09 AM

@52302 I mean, he is underqualified to work in a donut shop...

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#52309: Nov 20th 2017 at 11:49:57 AM

While Homeworld gems have a narrow view of the how/why/when, they still view fusion as a normal thing and the inability to do so as abnormal. A gem being able to fuse with a human is probably more surprising to a human than a Homeworld gem, even if it's less likely to offend them.
Pearl was surprised it was possible when Stevonnie fused the first time. And fusion is only deemed normal on homeworld if it's with other gems of the same type. Yellow Diamond's apparent hatred of organic life would also color the situation.

edited 20th Nov '17 11:50:35 AM by xanderiskander

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52310: Nov 20th 2017 at 12:22:03 PM

he is underqualified to work in a donut shop...
One can lose such a position for a number a reasons, but the hiring qualification for these kind of jobs is pretty much basic literacy, arithmetic, and physical ability.

Even if his basic competence is questionable from the audience's perspective, Dewey has years of experience as a politician, is well-known, and he may have gone to college. Honestly, I could see him starting with higher pay and a better title than Sadie had, even though he'd be doing the exact same thing she was.

Pearl was surprised it was possible when Stevonnie fused the first time.
She actually seemed more surprised than Jasper, presumably because she was more familiar with humans (and even saw Greg try to fuse and fail).

And fusion is only deemed normal on homeworld if it's with other gems of the same type. Yellow Diamond's apparent hatred of organic life would also color the situation.
They already plan the extermination of all Earth life. As disgusted as they would find human/gem fusion, it takes a lot to escalate things higher than that.

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#52311: Nov 21st 2017 at 12:12:54 AM

@ The Lapis stuff. I still don't see why, if the C Gs knew she was in there, didn't simply bubble the mirror, or take her out of the mirror and THEN bubble her. (the former is certainly possible but not sure about the latter). That would be treating Lapis just like literally every other Gem the C Gs have captured.

I believe in the "they thought she was dead" theory, as that accounts for their shock at Lapis's ability to communicate, and is consistent with how they usually treat enemy Gems.

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#52312: Nov 21st 2017 at 5:26:24 AM

Whether or not the Crystal Gems knew Lapis was there, I'm reminded of that old genie chestnut where they start off promising that they'll grant wishes to anyone that frees them but after so long they switch it to murdering anyone that frees them. Because dammit five thousand years is a long time to be alone with your thoughts.

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#52313: Nov 21st 2017 at 8:29:06 AM

@52306 Don't Explain the Joke.

@52307 I suspect that they didn't bubble Lapis because she was already contained in the mirror. They Didn't See That Coming when Steven decided to free her - had he not done that, she would have been in stasis just as much as if she had been bubbled.

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#52314: Nov 21st 2017 at 9:33:43 AM

[up]The thing is that she wasn't in stasis, and very much aware of her surroundings the entire time.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52315: Nov 21st 2017 at 9:34:13 AM

Lapis being freed sooner is an Interesting What If?,the reason she's neutral in the first place is that she resents how she had endure imprisonment and how the Crystal Gems never freed her while the mirror was in their possession,had Rose freed her sooner Lapis might have joined the Crystal gems out of gratitude,although now I'm wondering if Lapis would have remained with them when Rose departed

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#52316: Nov 21st 2017 at 9:56:28 AM

@52310 Fair enough. Allow me to rephrase, then. For the Crystal Gems' purposes, Lapis was in stasis, as she couldn't affect the outside world in any way while she was trapped in the mirror. Yes, for Lapis, it was drastically different, but I think it's pretty clear that, prior to "Jail Break," the Crystal Gems (outside of Steven) really didn't care what Lapis felt or thought.

That's a bit cold, yes, but it's been shown multiple times that the Crystal Gems were not so ideal in how they treated others - part of the show is showing how they grow and develop, too. Now, if you want to say that it wasn't fair of the Crystal Gems to treat Lapis like that, I totally agree. I see how they'd feel and act that way, though, even if I think it was pretty ruthless. Basically, it comes down to the fact that Lapis was contained, and they had bigger issues to deal with.

@52311 Hrm... in an alternate universe where the Crystal Gems freed Lapis (and, presumably, Rose Quartz healed her) immediately upon recovering the mirror from Homeworld... I could see Lapis' decision as to what to do being a bit of a coin flip. On one hand, immediate liberation would have meant that she wouldn't have had the millennia-long grudge against the Crystal Gems, and she might have in fact been inclined to see them as saviors. On the other, Lapis still had strong desires to return to Homeworld even given what they did to her (Homeworld was responsible for putting her in the mirror in the first place and cracking her gem, albeit accidentally, and she still tried to return after "Ocean Gem"). I'll split the difference in that I'll say that Lapis probably would have been more favorably disposed towards the Crystal Gems, but that she still wouldn't have joined them.

Of course, there's one alternate Fridge Horror possibility, depending on the timeline - if Lapis had been freed before the final moves of the war, Lapis might have been hit by The Corruption. That would have been rather sad.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52317: Nov 21st 2017 at 10:13:38 AM

Rose would have probably found a way to convince Lapis to stay on Earth,just like how she convinced thousands of gems to join her cause to defend the Earth

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Groverman62 Since: Feb, 2016
#52318: Nov 21st 2017 at 10:24:08 AM

Question: has Ian done any voice work for SU?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52319: Nov 21st 2017 at 10:30:37 AM

Yes,he voiced one of Steven's toys or something.

edit:it was Mr. Queasy.

edited 21st Nov '17 10:32:11 AM by Ultimatum

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#52320: Nov 21st 2017 at 2:35:22 PM

Can I give my two cents on the recent episodes?

Starting with Sadie Killer, because that was my absolute favourite of the bunch. Sadie just kills it, not just with the song, but just the episode in general. Her struggle felt very relatable and true - she might end up as my favourite among the human characters from that alone. I also enjoyed how the episode consistently made fun of Steven just not being edgy enough for the band, and at the same time did not claim having that edge is a bad thing as the cringy "edgelord" memes would.

My second favourite is Kevin Party, just because watching Kevin actually try to be nice is epicly awkward and hilarious of him trying to apply high school douchebag logic to Steven and Connie while actually trying to help. It made him really entertaining.

And the rest... didn't really do anything for me. I feel the show is getting into the repetitive territory with "someone is mad at someone else and won't talk for five episodes" subplots, because we've had them so many times they're really getting predictable. Having one such subplot(with Lapis leaving Peridot behind) in the freaking middle of the Steven and Connie subplot felt even more weird. I just felt I've seen it all before and I wanted everybody to stop being mad at everybody else so they could gang up and start being mad at the Diamonds.

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#52321: Nov 21st 2017 at 2:48:57 PM

Maybe everyone would die if they didn't get mad at the Diamondo...

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52322: Nov 21st 2017 at 3:24:01 PM

You know,there's a chance Lapis could get captured while she's in space,she won't have have much chance of fighting back when she's so far from any sources of water,and with Navy reporting back to them they're going to be on the lookout for a Lapis,the fact that she's moving a barn would attract anyone's attention.

edited 21st Nov '17 3:24:27 PM by Ultimatum

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52323: Nov 21st 2017 at 3:38:16 PM

On one hand, "in space" is literally the place where you're the least likely place to randomly run into anyone.

On the other hand, that already happened with the Ruby Squad in "Adventures in Light Distortion" and Navy in "Room for Ruby".

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#52324: Nov 21st 2017 at 6:57:49 PM

I could see Dewey using the Deweymoble for advertising:

"DEWEY'S DONUTS! DEWEY'S DONUTS!"

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#52325: Nov 21st 2017 at 7:30:22 PM

[up] My god that would be wonderful.

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