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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#52276: Nov 18th 2017 at 5:48:08 AM

They're shards, not full gems.

There's no way to "heal" them even if they're safely separated.

Oh really when?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52277: Nov 18th 2017 at 5:53:56 AM

Would be worth a shot to see if healing spit/Rose's fountain/Steven's tears didn't repair something.but yeah,they are broken shards,although there could be experiments out there which are closer to being whole and not completely shattered,I don't doubt that most of them which are beyond saving though,it's just that in way they nearly healed Centi the thing stopping them completely healing her was the corruption/memories kicking in,for all we know healing tears might be able regrow shattered gems

edited 18th Nov '17 6:34:04 AM by Ultimatum

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52278: Nov 18th 2017 at 6:59:22 AM

The shards are melded together...they can't just be pulled apart.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52279: Nov 18th 2017 at 7:08:44 AM

There's nothing a little elbow grease can't solve!

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#52280: Nov 18th 2017 at 12:52:35 PM

As sad as it is, the best way to deal with the Clusters is probably to shatter them and let them rest in piece. The Cluster itself might have enough shards in itself to emulate a functional, albeit giant, gem, but definitely not the smaller clusters made of like 4 or 5 gem shards.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#52281: Nov 18th 2017 at 12:58:22 PM

They've already been shattered. Gem shards are still alive. For whatever the hell that means

The evil scroll from like the second episode was painted using pigments from ground shards.

It seems the only way to force any sort of permanent cessation of consciousness for shards or fusion experiments is to poof them and bubble them or burn them in the furnace.

And even then the smoke from the burned scroll not dissipating is what caused the plot of the episode.

Oh really when?
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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#52283: Nov 18th 2017 at 2:35:38 PM

Has Sadie always hated her job at the Big Donut? Or did this just come about as a result of not having Lars there? Because it seems to me that Sadie liked her job up until this point. Also, did the band she's in ever get a name?

edited 18th Nov '17 2:36:29 PM by WillKeaton

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#52284: Nov 18th 2017 at 2:42:25 PM

I don't think anyone likes a retail job aftdr the first few months. At least, not if it's part of a franchise.

srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#52285: Nov 18th 2017 at 2:46:29 PM

Just a few things

1. Was it ever undeniably confirmed that the C Gs really did know that the mirror that they found had a gem (one of their own kind) trapped inside of it or was Lapis just jumping to a conclusion about that point? I ask because, if Steven and his initial behavior in regards to that situation are anything to go by, then that doesn’t really sound like something that Rose Quartz would initially allow, at least not for very long. I mean, she’s obviously had to make quite a few difficult decisions that most likely contradicted her initial personality, but, even so, I’m still not really seeing a whole lot reasons for her to leave a Gem trapped in a mirror, so that she could use it as a tool, that really doesn’t sound like something Rose would do, even by all of the context that we’ve been given by this point.

2. Why exactly are the Gems so loyal to the Diamonds when it’s been made perfectly clear that they have absolutely no shame in treating other gems like dirt? I mean, if the Diamonds were actually trying to make themselves out to look like benevolent matriarchs then I could understand it, but the Diamonds don’t even try to keep up that type of false pretenses. They make it quite clear that it’s either their way or the highway...to oblivion. And they are not too bothered by the idea of making it incredibly clear to the other gems that they are nothing more than expendable minions and servants to them. Where is all of the Diamonds’ initially fanatical devotion really coming from? They’re complete tyrants and they no problems at all with being as such

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#52286: Nov 18th 2017 at 2:55:30 PM

Homeworld is less of a tinpot dictatorship or a traditional monarchy and more a place with a rigid caste system.

They think of it as their place to be disposable minions. That's how life is supposed to be.

The Diamonds themselves seem to buy into the system as well. Or at the very least some basic concept of noblesse oblige. Yellow derides Blue for spending all these years mourning when she's supposed to be fulfilling her obligation as a Diamond and leading.

Oh really when?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52287: Nov 18th 2017 at 3:02:32 PM

It's never been been confirmed that the gems or Rose knew that Lapis was trapped in the mirror,so yes Lapis was assuming that they knew but I think being trapped and conscious like that would make anyone jump to some pretty rapid conclusions.

The probably assumed the mirror was powered by anything but a sentient gem and never thought to look on the back of the mirror for the power source,

edited 18th Nov '17 3:21:41 PM by Ultimatum

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52288: Nov 18th 2017 at 3:02:51 PM

[up][up][up]Ya know, people don't usually want more unless they know there "is" more.

Gems are just like that. It's the only thing they know, so it's the only thing they abide by.

edited 18th Nov '17 3:03:00 PM by randomness4

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#52289: Nov 18th 2017 at 3:22:29 PM

I really don't think that the Crystal Gems knew about Lapis being in the mirror. She was already trapped inside it when Pearl found it. I don't think they had any inklings that a gem might be inside until Steven said it was "talking." Pearl said that it shouldn't be able to do that, so it seems that she had no idea it was ever a gem.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52290: Nov 18th 2017 at 4:18:35 PM

Has Sadie always hated her job at the Big Donut? Or did this just come about as a result of not having Lars there? Because it seems to me that Sadie liked her job up until this point.
Apparently, losing Lars didn't just make Sadie hate her job in the present, but also gave her a more negative view of her previous work there. When Steven asked Sadie for advise on singing her song, the first "step" was to "lose your youth to your boring job". For reference, she said in "Joking Victim" it was summer job she ended up staying at for two years, then about two more years passed.

There's a general implication that Sadie never like the job, and just kept it because it gave her an excuse to hang out with Lars (and that Lars felt similarly, though he also got a very easy job out of it). Sadie may have realized this was a dumb idea, and she should have just left the job and tried to spend time with him outside of work.

Also, did the band she's in ever get a name?
Not as far as we know.

edited 18th Nov '17 4:53:06 PM by thatother1dude

Aurabolt Since: Oct, 2010
#52291: Nov 18th 2017 at 10:20:04 PM

Steven's plan was not a safe bet compared to certain doom. Diplomacy is not a good option against a remorseless opponent willing and able to take everything they want by force. If Aquamarine wasn't such a lazy twat, she would have taken the humans anyway.[...]And while Alexandrite proved brute force couldn't beat Aquamarine's wand, disarming her was a possibility[...]Before giving himself up, Steven completely failed to notice Connie's suggestion to fuse.

Diplomacy a Bad Option: I agree that it wasn't safe, but it was clearly safer than Connie's suggestion and the pinned situation they were in. I'd argue that Steven had an idea that Aquamarine wanted to end this struggle, and gave her the prize she knew she couldn't ignore or blow off.

Disarming Aquamarine: That was a possibility, but highly unlikely. In the position Steven was in-all others in stasis or in the water several feet away, Aquamarine-a highly-mobile Gem- clearly active, Topaz there to block attacks-we're talking one throw of Steven's shield, since I appreciate this show's internal consistency in regards to Gemtech and the abilities of its characters. That's a risk for all the money, which has a large chance of not working, or take a sure-fire interest play.

Steveonnie Fusion Ignored: Granted, he did do that. I would posit that Stevonnie against that Wand was still a bust, because higher mobility still falls to Aquamarine.

As you said, he ignored the situation and tried to bring things back to normal. That part I disagree with because it ignores the feelings that she tried to validate, which Steven should have acknowledged. If you made the whole conflict about that problem, I would have been on-board. I wasn't on-board when her argument was weakened by the bare fact: That fight was untenable in their current situation. Following that line of thinking would have lead to more suffering, which as we saw with Lars, the stakes are high enough that one person already died for this.

Hell, the fact that Steven was able to limit casualties is a laudable thing. Was he ham-fisted with the "I want to protect everyone including you!" bit of that idea? Oh sure, but the situation called for a decision. That decision saved a lot of lives.

edited 18th Nov '17 10:28:37 PM by Aurabolt

RegisteredUser Body contains a Human Soul. from It's as cold as it looks. Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Desperate
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#52292: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:04:49 AM

I just want to pop in to say that, while it is so that we don't have a name for Steven, Sadie, and the Cool Kids' band, and presumably they don't either,
but it should be Sadie Killer & The Deadbeats.

That is all.wink

edited 19th Nov '17 8:49:11 AM by RegisteredUser

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#52293: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:19:27 AM

Good contribution

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Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#52294: Nov 19th 2017 at 2:24:25 PM

It'd definitely suit their sound.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#52296: Nov 19th 2017 at 6:19:31 PM

Huh,so a weird detail I was thinking about is how Greg discovered that the Zoomens were the modern descendents of humans taken from Earth thousands of years ago

I think it's possible that while he was on board Blue Diamond's ship that she told him,or the Zoomens passed down the story of how they originated from this planet and retold the story,and Greg worked it out from there.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52297: Nov 19th 2017 at 6:56:36 PM

Or the Crystal Gems told Greg. He mentioned back in "The Return" that he knew about the war.

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#52298: Nov 19th 2017 at 7:42:45 PM

@52288: I was thinking Sadie Killer and the Working Dead, but that's much better!

edited 19th Nov '17 7:43:49 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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Aurabolt Since: Oct, 2010
#52299: Nov 19th 2017 at 7:57:53 PM

Sadie and the Lifeless Clerks?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52300: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:25:47 PM

I think "Dead Beats" is better because it seems like Jenny's the only one besides Sadie who's worked in the service industry (and even then it for a family business, which is a pretty different dynamic).


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