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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52126: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:22:14 PM

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Not arguing that it isn't. It was a dick move, albeit one that did feel a bit understandable from her perspective. Not right, just kind of understandable.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#52127: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:22:24 PM

Which frankly Peri shouldn't have done. Enabling Lapis is a problem she has, as seen when she talks about being scared to go against whatever Lapis wants and Lapis taking her fucking house.

Oh really when?
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52128: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:26:03 PM

She's scared of Lazuli...

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#52129: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:27:03 PM

Yeah, that's not a good thing.

When someone has you scared to speak out against them then that's a pretty serious problem.

Oh really when?
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52130: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:32:00 PM

It's kind of interesting how ultimately Lapidot was similarly toxic like the Malachite deal was, but in a different way. Malachite was made of two people with outright rage and hatred hurting each other. Peridot and Lapis's relationship was the two of them still having their own problems but trying to suppress them to their own detriment. Notice how some of the episodes dealing with Peridot's own self-esteem problems are all episodes that take place when Lapis isn't around.

Maybe that's why the show depicted their relationship with this kinda cutesy couple vibe to it. Ultimately, it's like a facade for the two of them to hide their issues and their own problems.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#52131: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:32:44 PM

In Peridot's defense, if Lapis Lazuli were real, I'd be scared of her too.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52132: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:35:25 PM

Which frankly Peri shouldn't have done. Enabling Lapis is a problem she has
I was talking about when Peridot left the barn to her in "Barn Mates", which was a combination of reparations for being an accessory to Lapis's imprisonment and just giving up on being friends. Peridot's stepping-on-eggshells attitude with Lapis clearly came up later, as a(n unwise and somewhat condescending) reaction to how troubled Peridot realized she was.

[up][up]I think calling their whole relationship toxic is a bit hasty.

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#52133: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:37:07 PM

So.

6 month hiatus. Following up on the gamechanging Wanted Bomb. 6 episodes of nothing.

Sure is Steven Universe alright.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52134: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:37:16 PM

Maybe not toxic but it isn't entirely healthy.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#52135: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:38:13 PM

Eh, I think it's accurate.

If one person is putting in tons of effort and bending over backwards to appease the other and is outright scared of ever going against them I think that's a pretty toxic relationship.

Oh really when?
Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#52136: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:38:30 PM

Hey, given that peridot still thinks of the barn as her house, wouldn't it be can't she, like, send bubbled messages to Lapis, wherever she is?

I mean, its not like the show is gonna get rid of Lapis forever, but it's kind of neat to know that, like, Peridot actually has a way to contact Lapis when homeworld it's not longer a threat.

Alternatively, it would be kind of sweet if Lapis bubbles actually go to Peridot.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52137: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:41:18 PM

What's the policy on spoilers for the SDCC preview from a while back? I wanna say something but I dunno if it should go in spoiler tags or anything.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52138: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:43:20 PM

What's the policy on spoilers for the SDCC preview from a while back? I wanna say something but I dunno if it should go in spoiler tags or anything.
It goes in the spoiler thread—unless you're just discussing scenes from aired episodes.

So it's fine if you want to say something like "Peridot confronting Lapis over leaving was in the trailer", but not about those couple scenes that are from later episodes.

edited 11th Nov '17 7:46:29 PM by thatother1dude

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52139: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:45:11 PM

Alright I'll take that to that thread then.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52140: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:01:42 PM

She took the thing she was originally gonna leave without...
"Willing to part with" isn't the same as "does not value". Once Lapis realized she could take the whole barn, she called it "our whole life".

Hey, given that peridot still thinks of the barn as her house, wouldn't it be can't she, like, send bubbled messages to Lapis, wherever she is?
We have no idea if it works that way. It may have a limited range (even if it's "anywhere on the same planet") or it moving around to a location unknown to Peridot could mess it up.

I guess it could end up as a Chekhov's Skill, but I wouldn't count on it.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52141: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:14:16 PM

Lapis and Peridot's relationship has always been toxic.

That said, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Lapis's behaviour. AFAIC, there was absolutely nothing selfish or dickish about it.

Also, while Connie is best human, I actually felt frustrated with her here, as she was being irrationally selfish and what's way worse and frustrated me far more, the show tried to legitimise her feelings and throw Dewe under the bus (for the crime of being responsible).

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52142: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:16:42 PM

If one person is putting in tons of effort and bending over backwards to appease the other and is outright scared of ever going against them I think that's a pretty toxic relationship.
Peridot wasn't afraid of Lapis (physically or emotionally), she was afraid of hurting Lapis.

And while that is a serious problem, my objection is to the idea that it invalidates every good thing about their relationship—that every point where they seemed to be supporting each other in a positive way was actually fake. That this means they're worse off now than if they were never friends—and even comparable to Malachite (who was nothing but bad, and lots of it).

Steven has a similar overly-self-sacrificing attitudes toward people in general, and it's a bad thing, but that doesn't mean his relationships as a whole are worse than nothing.

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#52143: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:17:16 PM

[up][up] ...Dewey wasn't being responsible, like, at all. He didn't know that Lars was still missing - hell, he didn't even know who Lars was. Those are kind of the sort of things that the Mayor ought on top of.

Also, Lapis did take Peridot's house. That's kind of dickish.

edited 11th Nov '17 8:18:51 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52144: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:19:21 PM

Being responsible by stepping down, which the show then treats as a crime against Steven, which is ridiculous, and an example of why Connie is in the right (which she isn't)

EDIT: [up]It was never Peridot's house. It was Lapis' house that she graciously allowed Peridot to live in, despite having every right to forbid her from being anywhere near her property.

edited 11th Nov '17 8:21:24 PM by Sereg

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#52145: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:20:39 PM

[up] You're misinterpreting that - Steven is being framed as misguided in that scene. Dewey is not being vilified for that.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#52146: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:22:40 PM

That's the complete opposite of how I saw that scene as being presented.

Also, I made an edit.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52147: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:23:18 PM

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I might have misspoken by implying it was faked. What I meant was that it was more of the two hiding their own issues. It was a genuine relationship but it was also not a stable one with the two repressing their numerous problems, Lapis especially, and not dealing with their issues through communication.

As someone who has been in some unhealthy relationships, I've seen this before. Yeah shit looks good on the outside but on the inside there's just a bunch of shit going on that's hard to process. Sometimes people just need to be apart for a bit to deal with their own bullshit before getting back together. Their relationship isn't inherently bad, it's just that they have a lot of shit going on between them that doesn't make it stable.

What I mean is it's similarly toxic like Malachite, but it's still infinitely more healthy, just not as healthy given their own issues.

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Okay that's a blatant misinterpretation of the scene. And technically it's neither of their houses, it's Andy's anyways.

edited 11th Nov '17 8:24:08 PM by AdricDePsycho

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#52148: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:24:39 PM

So I see.

How is it Lapis' house over Peridot's? When was that stated? Heck, Peridot was living there first.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52149: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:49:14 PM

I might have misspoken by implying it was faked. What I meant was that it was more of the two hiding their own issues.
No, that is what I understood it to me—I meant "fake" as in "it's bad, but they think it's good" not "they know it's bad, but pretend it's good".

I'm not at all sure that you're wrong about them, or that the opposite (that their net effect on each other is positive) is true. I just think you're being too quick to conclude it's one or the other.

Sometimes people just need to be apart for a bit to deal with their own bullshit before getting back together.
I can get behind this. Entre Nous and such.

(Ack, discussion was slow all day, now it's finally picking up past 11 PM EST)

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52150: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:53:02 PM

It's a gray area. It's not an awful relationship but it has things they really need to work on that unfortunately do mire it a bit.

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