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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51976: Oct 29th 2017 at 3:44:28 PM

I can imagine. The Legend of Korra was...divisive. A great show (like Steven Universe is) though I think the fandom ran into the same kind of issues and this one.

edited 29th Oct '17 3:45:30 PM by LSBK

iamthecircle Pretentious Scholar of English from The Armpit of the Bible Belt Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
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#51977: Oct 29th 2017 at 3:48:16 PM

My frustration came from the fact I really didn't expect the point I was arguing to be controversial. I thought it was obvious, which I guess was pretty foolish of me. I now know not to use terms like "groundbreaking" [lol]

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#51978: Oct 29th 2017 at 3:56:27 PM

Uh, does the art ever improve?

Yes. That said, it is an intentional choice to draw it that way, like The Order Of The Stick.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51979: Oct 29th 2017 at 4:03:00 PM

Chiming in after the fact that, while I don't know if it's necessarily groundbreaking (this seems to be more of an argument of semantics than anything else), I really appreciate that Steven is probably the first protagonist in Western animated media to make it this big specifically on the basis of his personality being defined by traits that run directly opposed to toxic components of conventional masculinity in a positive way. Previous male protagonists may have shown a lot of emotional depth or defied masculinity as well but in contexts that either maintained those norms or did not challenge them to the extent Steven has.

Flaws and all, Steven serves as a good role model for growing young boys. He normalizes the idea that it's not only acceptable but wonderful that males can be nurturing and express a full range of emotions, that sometimes physical force is necessary but men who favor peaceful solutions are respectable, and overal defies the idea that Men Use Violence, Women Use Communication which can unfortunately still be found in more gynocentric pro-feminist works. Like deuteragonist pointed out he constructs a new and arguably healthier model of masculinity, one that's able to resolve traditional masculine virtues with those formerly classified as "feminine".

When the show first started I saw some griping about Steven Universe choosing to focus on a male perspective instead of increasing female fictional representation even further, but in hindsight I think it's one of this show' greatest strengths.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#51980: Oct 29th 2017 at 4:20:29 PM

When the show first started I saw some griping about Steven Universe choosing to focus on a male perspective instead of increasing female fictional representation even further, but in hindsight I think it's one of this show' greatest strengths.

Oddly enough, according to Lauren Faust, CN executives consider Steven Universe to be their token "girl show".

However, I think it had more to do with Steven's character than anything else. I remember being one of those who felt that the show would be far more interesting if it was just about the Gems as opposed to Steven. So yeah, I can see Steven childlike nature in the beginning of the show alienating new potential fans. If he was more of an action hero, I think people would be fine. Still, I love Steven now but I wouldn't mind getting an episode or two that just focused specifically on the Crystal Gems or Lapis and Peridot.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#51981: Oct 29th 2017 at 4:32:03 PM

I'll say this about the show. Off-Model Pearl was a popular character in early episodes. Now we hardly ever see her.

edited 29th Oct '17 4:32:58 PM by WillKeaton

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#51982: Oct 29th 2017 at 4:36:51 PM

The only other major male protagonist(s) I can think of, from anything, who take a support role in their team and emphasise healing abilities and shields are Ness and Lucas from the Mother series.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51983: Oct 29th 2017 at 5:19:25 PM

[up][up]Eh, these characters are so fluid is there even such a thing as them being on model?

One last note, Steven might not be unique in having these traits, but it does seem to be unique in the contrast between typical masculinity and femininity being intentional. Does that count as groundbreaking? I think I'm done arguing either way.

As has been pointed out, that might just be because of semantics/personal definitions of the word.

edited 29th Oct '17 5:22:26 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#51984: Oct 29th 2017 at 6:31:27 PM

Yes, they're on-model constantly...and stuff like that is on screen long enough to be off-model.

Peral's nose will never bee that short again.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#51985: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:31:38 PM

So I just remembered something: Attack the Light has an unusual version of Turn-Based Combat (which I think carried over to Save the Light) where your party has a shared pool of Action Points to use each turn. According to the dev video, The Bard's Tale IV is using almost that exact system.

Does anyone know of any other game that used such a system? If not, it's either an amusing coincidence or a very strange source of influence.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#51986: Oct 30th 2017 at 10:26:01 AM

Peri hacked their twitter again

I wonder what this could mean..

you cheeky little..

NEW EPISODES?!

edit:

New trailer and a date of 10th November on their app!

youtube link

edited 30th Oct '17 11:21:16 AM by Ultimatum

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Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#51987: Oct 30th 2017 at 11:25:36 AM

This is not a drill! Repeat, this is not a drill!

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#51988: Oct 30th 2017 at 11:35:51 AM

I have a feeling that this may be the last batch of episodes. If they don't renew for a sixth season, then this might be it.

And Hey! We finally see a campaign episodes. I've been expecting this since the day Mayor Dewey was introduced.

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#51989: Oct 30th 2017 at 11:38:36 AM

All the actors are still actively recording lines for the show and they work a looooong ways ahead of the airing episodes.

Log Date was finished by the time Warp Tour aired.

Oh really when?
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#51990: Oct 30th 2017 at 11:39:41 AM

Nanefua is running for mayor? I'd vote for her.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
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#51992: Oct 30th 2017 at 12:24:35 PM

OH MY GOD YES FINALLY

Serious shit by the looks of it. I'm fucking hyped now.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#51993: Oct 30th 2017 at 12:26:15 PM

Well we know now Nanefua is going to kick Dewy's butt if Dewey wins is anything to go by

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#51994: Oct 30th 2017 at 12:34:22 PM

So, do we know when these are going to air on TV?

Oh God! Natural light!
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#51995: Oct 30th 2017 at 12:36:06 PM

For TV airing it's still winter with no concrete date

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#51996: Oct 30th 2017 at 1:01:05 PM

I have a feeling that this may be the last batch of episodes.
By "batch" do you mean there won't be another hiatus before the season (and likely series) ends? That's somewhat plausible, but I think there will still be the usual Christmas break.

All the actors are still actively recording lines for the show
Source?

and they work a looooong ways ahead of the airing episodes. Log Date was finished by the time Warp Tour aired.
It was being storyboarded by that point. As I pointed out before, assuming a constant production schedule extrapolated from the long term release schedule, the season could easily be finished by December.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#51997: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:44:06 PM

Scene-by-scene comments:

  • Steven's call: This is probably the next day after Steven came back. I'm guessing Peridot and Lapis didn't hear about Steven being going until after he got back, hence Peridot's "He's probably just ignoring us." line. Though I don't get why Steven actually would have ignored them or not noticed their earlier calls.
  • Nanefua for mayor: Nanefua/Gunga does seem the most likely (already established) character to run against Dewey. She did basically lead a mob against him when the power went out.
  • The Working Dead: This appears to be something Sadie, the Cool Kids, and Steven are doing to cope with recent trauma. That background looks disturbingly similar to the apparitions Steven saw just before reaching the Cluster.
  • Dewey in his office: My expectation is that Dewey will lose, and realize he let his constituents down, but Nanefua will realize the mayor couldn't have done that much either. Unless it turns out Nanefua's opposition is unrelated to the abductions (or any other gem shenanigans), then I'm expecting something far more ridiculous.

(I've got some other comments I'm going to leave in the spoiler thread because they involve the SDCC trailers.)

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#51999: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:56:33 PM

Nanefua is running for mayor? I'd vote for her.
Hmmm I do like her stand on pizza.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#52000: Oct 30th 2017 at 5:05:51 PM

Before voting for her, I'd have to know one fact: Is "Nanefua" her given name and "Gunga" a nickname (like some word for "granny"), or is it the other way around?


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