Yeah, Sereg has a very different view on morality than most people.
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.It was going nowhere...yes.
edited 20th Jul '17 12:22:01 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Every gem will shatter as all matter in the universe will eventually become degenerate. No physical object is capable of surviving. A long life is not any better at all than a short life, IMO. It's relevant because you have if shattering is torture, by choosing to inflict a different torture, you are not sparing them from the torture of shattering. You are just increasing their torture by adding another one on top of the one they would have experienced anyway. As such, you are bubbling them and shattering them instead of just shattering them. As such, by choosing not to shatter them, you are not avoiding the evil of shattering. You are doing all of the evil of shattering, plus more on top of that by inflicting another punishment.
Bubbling is torture as it is sensory deprivation (which, yes, is classified as torture) and a more complete one than humans are capable of inflicting.
EDIT: Sorry. Didn't realise that was consensus yet.
edited 20th Jul '17 12:27:24 PM by Sereg
@51302 You're the hero that the thread needs.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.51305,thanks,just doing my bit.
Link for anyone interested in listening to the fullpodcast
I consider bubbling to be harming, so that doesn't apply.
EDIT: In fact, I would say that capturing is harming inherently.
edited 20th Jul '17 1:47:22 PM by Sereg
like, bubbling is just like being on anestesia during an operation, that in itself is not harming and never will be, it's not like sensory deprivation at all because they're not concious
now, if you want to come at it from a lapis lazuli perspective, THEN it makes sense what you saying, because it must be truly horrible to be taken away from what you know and love and come back a lot of years late to see that everything changed
then again you can just adapt to it, so I don't actually see it as a fate worse than death
EDIT: sorry, got
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edited 20th Jul '17 2:04:58 PM by Gabo352
I think for the flashback occur someone else would have to be there to witness Lion's resurrection since Lion can't really narrate,maybe one of the crystal gems(my money is on Pearl) saw it take place but had no idea what they were looking and it's only when Steven tells them how his tears brought Lars back that they make the connection
Or Steven imagines how it unfolded and we have sort of sort of flashback,it's not entirely accurate however
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverUnless something else happened at that time, I doubt it. Seems like it wouldn't take up a full episode.
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.Plus, an actual flashback would require a written record/recording from Rose, a new witness, or to establish some precise means of communication with Lion. I can't imagine where anything else Rose left would be hidden (or a reason to hide it), it's very unlikely anyone else knew about Lion, especially Lion since could be Really 700 Years Old, and for communication I can't think of a—
Going back to Jasper and Bismuth returning, I'm not surprised. Whether or not season five is the last, it was written knowing it could be. They clearly couldn't bring either back before the third season ended (the last point the show could have ended on), but it's been long enough that I was expecting Bismuth's story to continue and Jasper to at least come up in regards to corrupted gem.
Speaking of which, they talked about making plotlines/hooks in the artbook. From their description, I would guess they'll keep doing setup for beyond season five (and we've probably seen some already), but not start any actual plotlines they know they can't finish.
And there's this little bit of me that wants the season finale to be an absurd "How's Annie" level cliffhanger, whether or not there's a season six, just because.

Except there is no definition of the word torture, where bubbling counts as it. They aren't experiencing any pain or suffering at all.
And, no, every Gem is not guaranteed to be shattered at some point. Even if they were, I fail to see how it's irrelevant. That I'm going to die one day does not mean it's okay for you to kill me.
edited 20th Jul '17 12:13:46 PM by LSBK