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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51301: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:13:28 PM

Except there is no definition of the word torture, where bubbling counts as it. They aren't experiencing any pain or suffering at all.

And, no, every Gem is not guaranteed to be shattered at some point. Even if they were, I fail to see how it's irrelevant. That I'm going to die one day does not mean it's okay for you to kill me.

edited 20th Jul '17 12:13:46 PM by LSBK

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#51302: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:15:00 PM

There really is no point in further discussion of this.

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#51303: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:16:06 PM

Yeah, Sereg has a very different view on morality than most people.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#51305: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:21:44 PM

It was going nowhere...yes.

edited 20th Jul '17 12:22:01 PM by randomness4

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#51306: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:24:44 PM

highlights from the podcast

Changing the subject,don't mind me!

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#51307: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:25:52 PM

Every gem will shatter as all matter in the universe will eventually become degenerate. No physical object is capable of surviving. A long life is not any better at all than a short life, IMO. It's relevant because you have if shattering is torture, by choosing to inflict a different torture, you are not sparing them from the torture of shattering. You are just increasing their torture by adding another one on top of the one they would have experienced anyway. As such, you are bubbling them and shattering them instead of just shattering them. As such, by choosing not to shatter them, you are not avoiding the evil of shattering. You are doing all of the evil of shattering, plus more on top of that by inflicting another punishment.

Bubbling is torture as it is sensory deprivation (which, yes, is classified as torture) and a more complete one than humans are capable of inflicting.

EDIT: Sorry. Didn't realise that was consensus yet.

edited 20th Jul '17 12:27:24 PM by Sereg

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#51308: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:40:44 PM

highlights from the podcast
I think I may skip this one, or at least wait a while. Most of this is stuff mentioned in the artbook.

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#51309: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:44:02 PM

@51302 You're the hero that the thread needs.

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#51310: Jul 20th 2017 at 12:53:34 PM

I'd just like to add my input: capturing an enemy combatant unharmed is always, ALWAYS, morally superior to killing them, and if you believe otherwise, you know nothing about how war works.

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#51311: Jul 20th 2017 at 1:08:31 PM

51305,thanks,just doing my bit.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#51312: Jul 20th 2017 at 1:46:16 PM

I'd just like to add my input: capturing an enemy combatant unharmed is always, ALWAYS, morally superior to killing them, and if you believe otherwise, you know nothing about how war works.

I consider bubbling to be harming, so that doesn't apply.

EDIT: In fact, I would say that capturing is harming inherently.

edited 20th Jul '17 1:47:22 PM by Sereg

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#51313: Jul 20th 2017 at 1:47:34 PM

[up]Bubbling is explicitly not harming.

EDIT: capturing is inherently less harmful than killing.

edited 20th Jul '17 1:48:14 PM by Kayeka

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#51314: Jul 20th 2017 at 1:49:20 PM

Bubbling is explicitly not harming.

Bubbling removes their ability to regenerate and is thus disabling someone. Disabling someone is harming them by definition.

EDIT: I disagree that it is inherently less harmful.

edited 20th Jul '17 1:50:32 PM by Sereg

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#51315: Jul 20th 2017 at 1:54:12 PM

But there's a cessation of consciousness in bubbling, there is none in shattering.

By your own terms bubbling is more humane than shattering.

Oh really when?
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Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#51317: Jul 20th 2017 at 1:57:25 PM

like, bubbling is just like being on anestesia during an operation, that in itself is not harming and never will be, it's not like sensory deprivation at all because they're not concious

now, if you want to come at it from a lapis lazuli perspective, THEN it makes sense what you saying, because it must be truly horrible to be taken away from what you know and love and come back a lot of years late to see that everything changed

then again you can just adapt to it, so I don't actually see it as a fate worse than death

EDIT: sorry, got [nja]'d

edited 20th Jul '17 2:04:58 PM by Gabo352

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51318: Jul 20th 2017 at 2:07:18 PM

Lapis' situation isn't even the same because she was aware of everything and conscious the entire time. She knew time was passing.

But if we're moving away from this, now that we basically know how Lion came to be, do you think we're ever actually going to get a flashback episode about it?

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#51319: Jul 20th 2017 at 2:25:13 PM

[up]I guess Steven could enter Lion's dreams if they wanted to do that. I can't think of any other way Lion could have a flashback.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#51320: Jul 20th 2017 at 2:29:31 PM

I think for the flashback occur someone else would have to be there to witness Lion's resurrection since Lion can't really narrate,maybe one of the crystal gems(my money is on Pearl) saw it take place but had no idea what they were looking and it's only when Steven tells them how his tears brought Lars back that they make the connection

Or Steven imagines how it unfolded and we have sort of sort of flashback,it's not entirely accurate however

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#51321: Jul 20th 2017 at 2:29:52 PM

Unless something else happened at that time, I doubt it. Seems like it wouldn't take up a full episode.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#51322: Jul 20th 2017 at 2:34:05 PM

now that we basically know how Lion came to be, do you think we're ever actually going to get a flashback episode about it?
There's still details to reveal (at the very least we should find out if Rose planned Lion's involvement with the Crystal Gems or he was acting on his own), but they may not necessitate a flashback. If that weird ruin from "Lion 4" has a story behind it, that not just "this is where Lion was born", that might be worth it.

Plus, an actual flashback would require a written record/recording from Rose, a new witness, or to establish some precise means of communication with Lion. I can't imagine where anything else Rose left would be hidden (or a reason to hide it), it's very unlikely anyone else knew about Lion, especially Lion since could be Really 700 Years Old, and for communication I can't think of a—

Steven could enter Lion's dreams
Uh... except that.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#51323: Jul 20th 2017 at 5:48:34 PM

Going back to Jasper and Bismuth returning, I'm not surprised. Whether or not season five is the last, it was written knowing it could be. They clearly couldn't bring either back before the third season ended (the last point the show could have ended on), but it's been long enough that I was expecting Bismuth's story to continue and Jasper to at least come up in regards to corrupted gem.

Speaking of which, they talked about making plotlines/hooks in the artbook. From their description, I would guess they'll keep doing setup for beyond season five (and we've probably seen some already), but not start any actual plotlines they know they can't finish.

And there's this little bit of me that wants the season finale to be an absurd "How's Annie" level cliffhanger, whether or not there's a season six, just because.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51324: Jul 20th 2017 at 5:49:56 PM

What has there been confirmation of them showing up in the next season or something?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#51325: Jul 20th 2017 at 5:51:32 PM

Yeah, I think Rebecca Sugar stated in a recent interview that got linked a few pages back about them returning.

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